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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg well this week

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ladies and gentlemen Chris and I are

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welcoming our good friend and fellow

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traveler Don Ecker of course he does the

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dark matters radio show and every so

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often he comes along to the power cast

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to talk shop and answer some of your

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questions as a matter of fact later on

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we have a bunch of questions in our

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format forum dr. Peric ascom under the

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question Bank

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it's a Don Ecker gonna ask to start what

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have you been up to lately I technical

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glitches last week suddenly out of the

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blue my monitor on my broadcast computer

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died on me and it's kind of hard to do a

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show without a monitor so I had to

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replace that but other than that we've

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been rolling right along enjoying the

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beautiful weather out here in sunny

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Southern California and just trying to

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keep our heads above water gene the

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biggest problem of all there's a story

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that came out in the CNN this week kind

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of revisits old ground about this FBI

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memo from what 1950 talking about three

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crash UFOs you know what I'm talking

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about right L memos sure well depending

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upon who you talk to this memo has

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actually been around for a long time to

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be quite honest I was very surprised

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when CNN suddenly grabbed this thing and

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ran with it because I have been aware

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and I'm sure you've been aware of this

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thing going back at least 20 years but

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it's an FBI agent operative that was

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talking about a story he was told that

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allegedly involved three recovered

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flying saucers now back in in that time

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period from 1947 through 52 the UFO

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topic was on front pages across the

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country this was not a

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object that media shunned there were

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some actually some surprisingly exciting

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and important cases that were ongoing

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then that in fact were reported probably

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the most well-known was the Washington

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DC District of Columbia overflights

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that took place in in the end of July

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and beginning of August 1952 but at any

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rate this memo was talking about these

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stories was sent back to jr. Hoover who

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of course was at that time the director

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and head of the FBI and then it just

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kind of washed away like so many of

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these things do but this memo had been

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recovered initially when it came out

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years ago it created a minor splash and

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people talked about it then once again

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the thing just kind of disappeared

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well recently it made the news again

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and I was kind of surprised about it but

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there are so many new people that are

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continuously discovering the field of

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unidentified flying objects that these

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kind of things really are the kind of

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things that get them excited what I've

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always suggested to anybody that is

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becoming involved in this research is to

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go back and do some academic study on

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the field to find out exactly what in

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the world has been going on for years

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because the information there is a ton

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of information that you can educate

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yourself about this subject gene of

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course when we look at these old

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documents anytime something like this

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comes out mj-12

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rears its ugly head yeah all about that

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of course recently we had grant Cameron

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on the show we were talking about all

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these documents and his feeling is they

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were put out there a mixture of fact and

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fiction I guess to serve the purpose of

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disinformation although I wondered in a

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case like that

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why release anything at all if he

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want people to know something don't talk

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about it well can be any number of

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reasons for example back when Vicki my

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wife Vicki and I were publishing UFO

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magazine it was her very strong feeling

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and contention that especially among the

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intelligence agencies they loved the UFO

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field because off times these stories

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like mj-12 would be floated it would be

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a study in how these documents surfaced

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among various groups and peoples in the

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UFO research community and what they

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might do with them now in some of these

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cases it was suspected and later

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depending upon who you believe confirmed

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that some of these stories were also in

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that timeframe being used to try to

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smoke out foreign intelligence agents

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because especially after 1988 when the

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reporter down in Las Vegas Nevada George

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Knapp from Kas TV channel 8 down there

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he's a friend of the show we know him

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yes sure Knapp book the story on area 51

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and originally on an alleged insider

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that was only identified by the name

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Denis later in another series of reports

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he came out with his full name Robert

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Lazar this was an area the area 51 site

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were the Central Intelligence Agency in

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the and the United States Air Force

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going back to the early to mid 1950s was

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developing advanced avionics out there

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among other things so it was suspected

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that especially with stories like this

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that the foreign intelligence services

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and at that time it would primarily have

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been the KGB the Soviet Union's KGB what

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those guys might be up to who those guys

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might be talking to and whether some of

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those guys might have

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actually infiltrated UFO movements so

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it's not a stretch to think that

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American intelligence would have been

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keeping a very close eye on that

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now you also wonder here in the early

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days what portion of UFO sightings were

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actually some sort of secret test

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aircraft well the CIA is as we all know

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came out a number of years ago and

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quote-unquote admitted that they had

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utilized the UFO topic in order to cover

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up some of these advanced avionics that

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they were working with like the u2 the

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sr-71 the a12 and other aircraft now

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depending upon the timeframe and

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depending upon the sightings that were

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being reported back in those days by

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people like airline pilots and police

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officers and so forth it would be quite

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a stretch to take some of those well

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documented sightings and then be able to

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stick them to the testing of the u2 or

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the sr-71 now for example the u2 would

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travel up to 70,000 feet the sr-71 would

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go up and I think it's still classified

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but at least close to a hundred thousand

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feet above the surface of the planet now

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that would be a that would be quite a

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stretch to use that to make an

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explanation of a sighting for example

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that an airline pilot might have

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reported when something was trailing his

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aircraft or right off of his wing some

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unexplained bogey so I always looked at

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those CIA admissions with somewhat of a

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jaundiced eye yeah how can you believe

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anything that comes from the CIA and you

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wonder of course about certain rogue

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agents out there that we don't want a

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name you mean like Richard Doty you know

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great insane minds

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think alike you know I still would love

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to have Richard Doty come on the show

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I've asked him a few times yeah we've

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gotten close but no close I think we're

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almost at the point of scheduling an

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episode with Richard ot and then you

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start getting completely wacky about

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well what kind of question is you gonna

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ask me I have to think this guy's a

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former intelligence agent he should be a

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pretty smart guy he should be able to

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answer any question without an excuse we

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get no excuses from Don Ecker of the

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dark matters radio show with Gene and

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para cast calm as you see I love

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interviewing Don Eckert because all I

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have to do is push the button and say ok

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Don go I just sit back I relax I enjoy

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and that makes it all the more fun yeah

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that's what my wife always tells me she

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just drops a quarter in and you know I'm

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off ok well today of course Don you know

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was feeling a little bit light in the

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cash Department we gave him fifty cents

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yes sir

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fifty cents now let's tell everybody why

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I got invited on the show today gene

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this was fun okay now I understand when

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April Fool's Day comes about wacky

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things happen now but the point is the

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best April Fool's joke is the one that

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sounds like the truth I mean you could

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do it two ways one you just say

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something totally outrageous

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so outrages that nobody in his right

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mind would believe it or you take an

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item look at the history and a little

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bit of fabrication and you come up with

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a little plot that one of your friends

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pulled on us well what am I can I say

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this one of my listeners am I

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allowed to say that I think you just did

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oh okay yeah one of my listeners from

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dnr and a listener on the parrot cast

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those by the name on the podcast of ryan

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put a thing in there that the other day

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on April Fool's Day that I was sick and

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I sent him a note saying that I was

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canceling dark matters radio after the

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end of this week course this was purely

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out of the blue I didn't know anything

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about it and suddenly I get a message

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from gene cheating says Don how would

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you like to come on the para cast and do

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a retrospective I'm thinking didn't I

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I wrote back and I said sure gene I love

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to and then I went up to the para cast

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and I see this note and suddenly it

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becomes clear because as we all know you

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know I've got a cop's mind I can put

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together two and two and come up with

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six occasionally so there it was and by

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the way the listener is a really nice

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guy he is a loyal listener of your shows

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a loyal listener of the power cast he

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suggests guests from time to time like

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he's a friend of dr. Roger Leir who was

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on the para cast just last week I mean

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really good loyal listener and therefore

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he knew how to phrase this April Fool's

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hoax to be just perfect I was thinking

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oh my goodness what's going on with this

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and it just totally you know totally

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went right over my head that it was

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April Fool's Day until I saw I saw the

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the response to it and I thought oh man

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that was a good one I always think I was

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gonna give you a call and say done

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what's up you know and I thought you

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know what we're always glad to have gone

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on the show there's no need to worry

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about what he's doing with his other

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show it is we want to have somebody

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who's knowledgeable smart a lot of

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information the presents so it doesn't

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matter to me I'm happy to have him on

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anyway oh my god was I getting buttered

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up there what's next I don't know well

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you paid me for this I have to tell you

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you know I got a dollar and a half to

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say this well I'll tell you I was

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noticing in the the question Bank on the

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para cast that when you and I put that

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thing up that I was going to be on

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suddenly the floodgates open I was

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thinking good lord yeah I can't wait to

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ask a couple of these boy Oh Chris cubby

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champing at the bit you know it's kind

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of thing here when you got certain

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guests and you got so many questions if

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you don't have to do any work just sit

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back and ask the questions for example

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one of our loyal listeners who's been on

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the show by the way GOG Makai he asked

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what a group of eight questions I think

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have you kind of recounting your entire

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life for the last 42 years or something

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like that

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that guy asked one thing which

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may be a sour issue but we have to ask

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it here you guys of course sold off UFO

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magazine to Bill burns

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now that magazine hasn't appeared in a

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year so are they out of business that's

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a great question now let me hey you know

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I am Who I am I'm not known for calling

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a spade a damn shovel very often but I

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have been known to do that so going back

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to 2005 when Vicki and I were still we

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still owned it half the magazine the

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burns kind of basically decided they

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were going to take over the whole thing

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and this was right around the time of

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the Katrina hurricane down in in New

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Orleans and the southern part of the

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United States and we were having a

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meeting that day about about the

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magazine we were going over some

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articles and things like that we were on

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a deadline now when Vicki and I were so

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publishers of UFO magazine that was one

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thing that was not only an ironclad rule

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but a absolutely stainless-steel rule

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and that rule was that you do not miss a

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deadline come hell or high water it was

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important for a lot of reasons not the

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least of which was getting it off to the

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printers getting it out to the the

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delivery trucks I mean once the magazine

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was published and then subsequently out

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to the subscribers and the you know the

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the book stores and places that carried

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the magazine well for whatever reason at

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that time the deadline and I'm going now

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strictly from memory the deadline was

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missed so we were down there having this

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meeting now

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and something else I've got to say and

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I've never made a secret of this I have

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always been if I'm asked a question I've

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always been as honest as I can be

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although I have tried to never bring

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this aspect of myself into the UFO arena

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politically I am very conservative okay

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I'm very liberal when it comes to the

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rights and and the the the amendments to

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the Constitution that were put in place

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to guarantee the liberties to American

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citizens and that was the reason they

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were put in there but conservatively

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speaking about overseas and

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what-have-you I've always had a very

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conservative outlook now like I said I

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did not and have not tried to ever bring

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my beliefs into the UFO arena however I

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was that day blind sighted I was

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castigated during that meeting by Bill's

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wife Nancy because of the hurricane and

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I mean the lady came completely unglued

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on me because of a hurricane what does

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that have to do with anything us because

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she felt that that Bush who was

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president then wasn't acting quickly

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enough now yeah what does that have to

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do with UFOs and UFO magazine it made no

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sense well that's what I'm trying to

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tell you sure it made absolutely no

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sense now I was supposed to go to a

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doctor's appointment after the meeting

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and I mean this devolved into an

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absolute screaming shouting match and

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pretty much effectively at that point I

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said the hell with most of it I'll tell

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about a critical meeting here that Donn

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and Vicki Acker had with Bill and Nancy

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burns we're pretty much the partnership

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was ended right then their UFO magazine

547
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:33,650
right well vicki was was still on board

548
00:27:39,070 --> 00:27:36,710
i still after that submitted a couple of

549
00:27:42,610 --> 00:27:39,080
articles but the things that I had been

550
00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:42,620
doing I just was was pretty much

551
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:45,830
finished with it and officially all

552
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:48,710
because of an argument over a hurricane

553
00:27:54,910 --> 00:27:52,250
well you know it was yeah yeah pretty

554
00:27:57,610 --> 00:27:54,920
much pretty much from that point forward

555
00:27:59,970 --> 00:27:57,620
there were hard feelings all the way

556
00:28:04,000 --> 00:27:59,980
around I said things that I probably

557
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:04,010
should not have said but you know I felt

558
00:28:10,030 --> 00:28:07,490
at the time that I was justified that

559
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:10,040
was pretty much the end of it as far as

560
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:12,490
my involvement with the burns went now

561
00:28:21,940 --> 00:28:17,330
Vicki left officially around November

562
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:21,950
December of 2006 and I wrote my document

563
00:28:30,970 --> 00:28:25,910
my 20 years in the UFO fog that was put

564
00:28:34,510 --> 00:28:30,980
out around January of 2007 so from that

565
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:34,520
point forward I was officially done with

566
00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:37,130
the magazine and what-have-you now I

567
00:28:43,150 --> 00:28:41,630
have not kept close tabs on anything but

568
00:28:46,180 --> 00:28:43,160
of course one of the things that I've

569
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:46,190
heard about and I've had people contact

570
00:28:53,620 --> 00:28:49,730
me about what has happened to the

571
00:28:56,380 --> 00:28:53,630
magazine now I have not personally been

572
00:28:59,200 --> 00:28:56,390
in touch with either the burnses but I

573
00:29:02,800 --> 00:28:59,210
have done after I was contacted I did do

574
00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:02,810
some some research on what had happened

575
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:06,550
apparently about a year or so ago

576
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:11,810
Nancy burns who saw herself as the ACE

577
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:14,810
editor who was doing a hell of a lot

578
00:29:18,130 --> 00:29:16,850
better job than my wife had done as a

579
00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:18,140
matter of fact that was one thing that

580
00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:19,340
she said to Vic

581
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:22,270
that I got to to tell you just

582
00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:26,450
absolutely scouted me when I heard that

583
00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:30,230
but she decided to quit publishing the

584
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:32,780
magazine for a while because she was

585
00:29:38,020 --> 00:29:35,510
writing a but now during this period of

586
00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:38,030
time people were still sending in money

587
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:40,400
for subscriptions and what-have-you and

588
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:43,010
then were contacting from what I

589
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:47,450
understand to find out what had happened

590
00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:50,450
to the publication and we're not being

591
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:54,200
contacted back so recently it's my

592
00:29:59,410 --> 00:29:57,170
understanding that Nancy burns came out

593
00:30:02,350 --> 00:29:59,420
with a public announcement that they

594
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,360
were starting once again to publish the

595
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:05,360
magazine and a lot of it would be now in

596
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,450
electronic form so it remains to be seen

597
00:30:14,820 --> 00:30:11,360
if that happens or not however I will

598
00:30:17,890 --> 00:30:14,830
say this that much of the magazine

599
00:30:20,350 --> 00:30:17,900
dropped away from what Vicki and I did

600
00:30:22,930 --> 00:30:20,360
which were reporting on cases on

601
00:30:25,570 --> 00:30:22,940
incidents on personalities on book

602
00:30:27,340 --> 00:30:25,580
reviews those kind of things that we

603
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:27,350
were known for doing when we were

604
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:30,770
publishing the magazine and now is

605
00:30:36,550 --> 00:30:34,010
mostly taken up with columns by various

606
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:36,560
people around the field some which I

607
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:40,090
might add we would not have entertained

608
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:42,530
back when we were publishing the

609
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:45,530
magazine but hey it's no longer under

610
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:49,130
our purview so good luck with it and we

611
00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:50,330
have to see what's going to happen

612
00:30:55,180 --> 00:30:53,150
because this announcement about some

613
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:55,190
kind of digital version of UFO magazine

614
00:31:00,940 --> 00:30:57,650
went up several weeks ago there's been

615
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,950
no update yeah yeah I know it's hard to

616
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:03,440
do a print magazine so well look you

617
00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:05,930
know the world the real world print

618
00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:08,150
magazines are dying here's the thing

619
00:31:15,490 --> 00:31:10,990
about doing a print publication they are

620
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,500
very expensive things like ink things

621
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:18,320
like paper shirts like are you having a

622
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:21,770
glossy cover something else the various

623
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:25,910
types of fonts that you use making sure

624
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:29,360
which this was a problem a few years ago

625
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:30,890
when the magazine was still being

626
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:31,980
published

627
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:35,520
that you proof read the publication

628
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:37,770
before it goes to the printer there were

629
00:31:44,090 --> 00:31:41,370
a lot of oops that showed up in the

630
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:44,100
magazine there for quite a while a story

631
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:47,520
continued on page xxx you know and then

632
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,090
you have to hunt impact for the rest of

633
00:31:57,970 --> 00:31:52,799
the story in the magazine those kind of

634
00:32:00,919 --> 00:31:57,980
things it takes time and expertise to

635
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:00,929
you know to really really pull something

636
00:32:09,770 --> 00:32:04,380
like that off and then the payoff is

637
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:09,780
often very very low things like you may

638
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:13,200
have two or three magazines out before

639
00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:17,910
you get any payback for you know the

640
00:32:22,580 --> 00:32:20,520
first magazine you sent out and and

641
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:22,590
already here's a magazine number three

642
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:24,809
and all the meantime you still have to

643
00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:28,919
keep paying for the printing you have to

644
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,580
keep paying for the deliveries so it's

645
00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:34,799
it's a tough game well I know I've been

646
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:36,870
there so I know how difficult it is as

647
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:38,910
many publishers are learning is better

648
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:40,710
not to have a print magazine anymore

649
00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:43,049
doesn't make sense so that's a good move

650
00:32:46,940 --> 00:32:44,820
we have to see what happens with it

651
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:46,950
that's why so many so many publications

652
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:50,820
today are dying I mean they're just

653
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,220
disappearing or they have an online

654
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:54,960
version and they're trying to figure out

655
00:32:58,700 --> 00:32:57,210
ways to monetize it even the New York

656
00:33:01,039 --> 00:32:58,710
Times is trying to figure out ways to

657
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:01,049
monetize their presentation at the same

658
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,510
time what you see in journalism today is

659
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:06,240
cutting back on investigative journalism

660
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:07,890
so you have people will cover the

661
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,929
stories from day to day what when you

662
00:33:14,299 --> 00:33:11,760
need this analysis and we were talking

663
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,309
about this before on another interview

664
00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:16,080
with my tech show the tech night a live

665
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:18,750
about doing real journalism about

666
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:21,929
covering the story going in-depth about

667
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:23,910
what's really happening that doesn't

668
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:26,970
happen no you can see that you can see

669
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:30,360
that all across the board and there's

670
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:34,440
something else and it's specially very

671
00:33:38,919 --> 00:33:36,690
prevalent with the current

672
00:33:41,780 --> 00:33:38,929
administration in the White House

673
00:33:44,770 --> 00:33:41,790
especially with the White House press

674
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:44,780
briefings it's known as

675
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:49,250
access journalism if you in fact have a

676
00:33:56,770 --> 00:33:53,210
propensity to ask questions hard

677
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:56,780
questions hard edged questions about

678
00:34:03,610 --> 00:33:59,600
things that you perceive is happening

679
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:03,620
and for example the the administration

680
00:34:11,139 --> 00:34:08,330
now is cutting off access to journalists

681
00:34:16,330 --> 00:34:11,149
the Benghazi affair is one perfect

682
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:16,340
example that has not been addressed by

683
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,280
the administration to the public yeah

684
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:20,720
but I think there's also a lot of

685
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:22,610
political posturing there I just don't

686
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,450
want to get into it

687
00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:26,000
notice again - an argument this way sure

688
00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:27,470
but it's not what I'm saying

689
00:34:36,220 --> 00:34:32,230
it sure is that you have access

690
00:34:39,210 --> 00:34:36,230
journalism ok when that's perceived what

691
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:39,220
is happening then you lose the

692
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:42,710
investigative process it's also very

693
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:46,690
apparent in the UFO field for example

694
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:50,090
one person in in particular dr. Steven

695
00:34:56,409 --> 00:34:53,770
Greer okay recently went out and

696
00:34:59,590 --> 00:34:56,419
gathered up close to a quarter of a

697
00:35:01,800 --> 00:34:59,600
million dollars to do a movie okay and

698
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:01,810
everybody initially thought that we're

699
00:35:06,610 --> 00:35:04,880
donating to this movie that this thing

700
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:06,620
was going to be in the theaters and

701
00:35:11,980 --> 00:35:09,170
what-have-you suddenly the movie is done

702
00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:11,990
all that money is collected and it's

703
00:35:17,620 --> 00:35:15,230
only selective showings around people's

704
00:35:20,110 --> 00:35:17,630
homes and those types you know those

705
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:20,120
types of venues where the public is not

706
00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:22,910
going to get a chance probably to see

707
00:35:28,060 --> 00:35:25,550
this so that that's a case also of

708
00:35:31,780 --> 00:35:28,070
access journalism back when Vicki and I

709
00:35:34,510 --> 00:35:31,790
were doing UFO magazine do you think for

710
00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:34,520
one second and I can tell you it would

711
00:35:38,740 --> 00:35:36,680
have never happened that if we would

712
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,750
have tried to get in touch with Greer to

713
00:35:42,910 --> 00:35:40,640
sit down and interview him about

714
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:42,920
something like this that he would do it

715
00:35:48,850 --> 00:35:45,710
he wouldn't because we would ask him

716
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:48,860
hard-edged questions that's what we did

717
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,570
I'll tell you what he was on the power

718
00:35:54,850 --> 00:35:52,880
cast a couple of times and the second

719
00:35:57,460 --> 00:35:54,860
time we asked him not so much a

720
00:36:00,640 --> 00:35:57,470
hard-edged question but a medium age

721
00:36:02,740 --> 00:36:00,650
and he became real real uppity real fast

722
00:36:05,290 --> 00:36:02,750
well the same thing with Steven Bassett

723
00:36:07,870 --> 00:36:05,300
ok when you and David B Edney were

724
00:36:12,099 --> 00:36:07,880
trying to get him to talk about why he

725
00:36:15,579 --> 00:36:12,109
in fact had some of these very shall we

726
00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:15,589
say loose personalities connected with a

727
00:36:22,210 --> 00:36:18,230
disclosure project and he felt it was

728
00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:22,220
not his job to vet these people prior to

729
00:36:26,410 --> 00:36:23,990
taking the things like the press

730
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,420
briefing you know he actually yelled on

731
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the air I think that's the only time

732
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:29,869
that happened we had another guest who

733
00:36:33,550 --> 00:36:31,849
hung up on us but in this particular

734
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case he was yelling at us but as a

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result Donecker can yell at people to

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when they deserve it with Gene and Kris

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[Music]

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you do listen to the podcast because you

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as you see our friend Don Ecker of Dark

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Matters radio suffers no prisoners he

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tells you what he thinks whether you

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like it or not I mean that even included

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our friend the late Jim Mosley where he

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had a few things to say about Jim that

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we enjoy hearing but it was also you

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know respective of the fact that he and

846
00:41:42,190 --> 00:41:40,609
Jim were not exactly close friends when

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Jim was alive but you know that's how

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things go all right and the other

849
00:41:50,140 --> 00:41:47,630
problem is with things like that is far

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00:41:52,809 --> 00:41:50,150
too many people in the UFO field when

851
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:52,819
they get a person like a Steven Greer on

852
00:41:58,059 --> 00:41:55,849
their show they're afraid to question

853
00:42:00,160 --> 00:41:58,069
him they're intimidated by it so they

854
00:42:02,890 --> 00:42:00,170
asked very simple questions or have the

855
00:42:05,019 --> 00:42:02,900
guest give them questions a certain

856
00:42:06,819 --> 00:42:05,029
radio show you know about does that give

857
00:42:08,499 --> 00:42:06,829
them questions they read the questions

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00:42:11,289 --> 00:42:08,509
and that's the interview that's not an

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00:42:12,759 --> 00:42:11,299
interview that's what a report card I'm

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00:42:14,980 --> 00:42:12,769
neither a report card that's not even an

861
00:42:18,579 --> 00:42:14,990
interview it's like doing show-and-tell

862
00:42:21,779 --> 00:42:18,589
or something a puff piece well I'll give

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00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:21,789
you an example now just very recently

864
00:42:30,579 --> 00:42:25,730
George Knapp who is a you know an

865
00:42:34,749 --> 00:42:30,589
excellent reporter from klas TV and he

866
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also hosts occasionally on the coast to

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coast radio show which of course was

868
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originally put together by radio legend

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00:42:49,210 --> 00:42:44,539
art belt now George just had mr. Robert

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00:42:54,089 --> 00:42:49,220
Bigelow on the program now I would have

871
00:42:57,130 --> 00:42:54,099
loved to have had an opportunity to

872
00:43:01,740 --> 00:42:57,140
interview Bigelow as a matter of fact I

873
00:43:06,009 --> 00:43:01,750
had the president of cyber station us a

874
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,019
contact Bigelow's people for the

875
00:43:12,460 --> 00:43:09,440
opportunity to interview Bob Bigelow on

876
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:12,470
dark matters radio and he worked on it

877
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:14,930
for several months trying to get Bigelow

878
00:43:17,710 --> 00:43:16,730
to sit down and agree to that of course

879
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:17,720
they wouldn't

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00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:22,490
why well for that very fact because you

881
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,410
know when I when I do a show it's kind

882
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:26,000
of like when I did a criminal

883
00:43:31,870 --> 00:43:28,970
investigation I went where the clues

884
00:43:34,990 --> 00:43:31,880
took me and there are a hell of a lot of

885
00:43:38,860 --> 00:43:35,000
people out there that just will not sit

886
00:43:42,190 --> 00:43:38,870
still for something like that so you

887
00:43:45,580 --> 00:43:42,200
know it's a it's a tough racket whether

888
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:45,590
you're publishing and trying to sit down

889
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:49,270
and dig the real hard facts out or

890
00:43:55,450 --> 00:43:52,250
you're doing a radio interview and

891
00:43:58,450 --> 00:43:55,460
trying to dig the real hard facts out a

892
00:44:01,150 --> 00:43:58,460
lot of times these these guys will just

893
00:44:03,070 --> 00:44:01,160
try to slip away and I've always had a

894
00:44:05,470 --> 00:44:03,080
problem with that well the thing is a

895
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:05,480
guess like that is going to want to

896
00:44:09,970 --> 00:44:07,250
control the message it's like you bring

897
00:44:12,580 --> 00:44:09,980
a corporate executive on there you bring

898
00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:12,590
like a Tim Cook from Apple and he's been

899
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:14,870
interviewed by several elements in the

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00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:19,370
media in each case in each case you know

901
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:22,730
that Apple worked with the particular

902
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:25,850
network in question to fine-tune the

903
00:44:32,350 --> 00:44:28,670
message yeah well that's once again

904
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:32,360
that's kind of like access journalism if

905
00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:35,030
you ask the hard questions you don't get

906
00:44:41,770 --> 00:44:36,950
the access to guest I'll come on I mean

907
00:44:46,690 --> 00:44:41,780
I listen to cable TV news from the three

908
00:44:48,220 --> 00:44:46,700
major networks CNN Fox MSNBC regardless

909
00:44:51,130 --> 00:44:48,230
of your political affiliations

910
00:44:53,550 --> 00:44:51,140
conservative liberal whatever you know

911
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:53,560
that when they get that famous guest

912
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:55,610
presidential candidates even the

913
00:45:02,100 --> 00:44:58,970
President Congress Senate whatever they

914
00:45:05,110 --> 00:45:02,110
let them just go on they asked a few

915
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:05,120
skeptical questions but you just know if

916
00:45:09,550 --> 00:45:07,730
they really just stopped and said stop

917
00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:09,560
with the political talking points let's

918
00:45:13,690 --> 00:45:11,630
discuss the issues that guests would up

919
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:13,700
and leave and no other guests like that

920
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:16,930
would ever come on exactly exactly and

921
00:45:25,330 --> 00:45:21,920
that's unfortunately where the media has

922
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:25,340
fallen down on their sword for these

923
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:29,090
guys and they've they've just absolutely

924
00:45:34,250 --> 00:45:30,420
lost any

925
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:34,260
Jack tivity the Fourth Estate is now you

926
00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:38,670
know below pond-scum as far as I'm

927
00:45:45,579 --> 00:45:41,849
concerned and the majority of them are

928
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:45,589
about as worthless as tits on a boar hog

929
00:45:52,819 --> 00:45:50,760
okay I feel about the state of

930
00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:52,829
journalism today gone I've pretty much

931
00:45:57,770 --> 00:45:54,540
said it I believe

932
00:45:59,329 --> 00:45:57,780
do you remember journalism I don't know

933
00:46:01,609 --> 00:45:59,339
if we see much of that practice yeah

934
00:46:04,460 --> 00:46:01,619
it's like a copy machine start your copy

935
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:04,470
machines and so unfortunate you see if

936
00:46:10,549 --> 00:46:08,280
enough stations enough networks went out

937
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:10,559
there and ask the hard questions and

938
00:46:13,819 --> 00:46:12,180
then when the guest says they're not

939
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:13,829
going to come on anymore broadcast that

940
00:46:18,799 --> 00:46:16,140
fact say okay Congressman such-and-such

941
00:46:20,780 --> 00:46:18,809
senator such-and-such they're afraid to

942
00:46:22,819 --> 00:46:20,790
come on here they're afraid to answer

943
00:46:26,299 --> 00:46:22,829
the questions pretty soon they'd have to

944
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:26,309
do it well the problem is these guys and

945
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,089
women have forgotten that they are

946
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:33,359
working for you and me

947
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:38,790
they are our employees and I think that

948
00:46:43,339 --> 00:46:41,010
under our system at least the way it is

949
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:43,349
today we've got to make them aware of

950
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:45,660
that and somehow it's gotten turned

951
00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:47,220
topsy-turvy

952
00:46:54,049 --> 00:46:50,190
the same thing with the UFO and and

953
00:46:58,789 --> 00:46:54,059
paranormal topics you know these guys

954
00:47:02,180 --> 00:46:58,799
are operating with our tax money it's

955
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:02,190
our mind believe me we are being bled

956
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:06,000
white right now in tax dollars that that

957
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:08,910
are being taken and by God I want to

958
00:47:13,819 --> 00:47:12,780
know what they are doing with my money

959
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:13,829
now

960
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:16,650
take they're not working for you they're

961
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:19,049
working for the corporate donor yeah

962
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:22,440
have you noticed take the the example of

963
00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:25,710
UFOs now we have been told gene and

964
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:27,960
Chris for all the years that we've been

965
00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:32,220
involved with this topic that UFOs do

966
00:47:35,470 --> 00:47:34,200
not represent a threat to national

967
00:47:39,799 --> 00:47:35,480
security

968
00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:39,809
okay that's great they don't represent a

969
00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:42,150
threat then what in the hell are you

970
00:47:45,170 --> 00:47:43,420
hiding

971
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:45,180
okay because it's obvious to anybody

972
00:47:51,299 --> 00:47:48,130
with at least a half an ounce of gray

973
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:51,309
matter between their ears that something

974
00:47:59,520 --> 00:47:54,970
is being hidden and is being concealed

975
00:48:00,990 --> 00:47:59,530
but it's not one of those things that is

976
00:48:04,859 --> 00:48:01,000
going to come to the surface anytime

977
00:48:06,690 --> 00:48:04,869
soon Don we got so many questions s in

978
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:06,700
the forum that the question Bank at

979
00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:09,130
forum dr. power cast calm for my

980
00:48:13,650 --> 00:48:11,740
listeners I think we should kind of open

981
00:48:14,819 --> 00:48:13,660
up to some of those questions right now

982
00:48:17,130 --> 00:48:14,829
we'll get back to asking you other

983
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:17,140
things Chris you want to get started I'm

984
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:19,990
sure spooky Mulder you know you were

985
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:20,710
talking about

986
00:48:27,870 --> 00:48:25,119
in 2007 Don about your your decision to

987
00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:27,880
publicly leave the field of ufology he

988
00:48:31,410 --> 00:48:29,950
wants to know if it's not too sensitive

989
00:48:33,809 --> 00:48:31,420
of an issue could you talk about that

990
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:33,819
decision to get out of the field and

991
00:48:38,819 --> 00:48:36,250
what has brought you back well I think I

992
00:48:41,609 --> 00:48:38,829
just said why I ended up getting out of

993
00:48:45,049 --> 00:48:41,619
the field getting back into the field

994
00:48:49,579 --> 00:48:45,059
okay now this is something that I have

995
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:49,589
explained time and time again I do not

996
00:48:57,780 --> 00:48:53,920
consider myself back in the fray per se

997
00:49:02,220 --> 00:48:57,790
I do my radio show and this is of course

998
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:02,230
one of the topics that we cover quite

999
00:49:08,220 --> 00:49:04,930
frequently and I've always been very

1000
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:08,230
consistent in stating that I have never

1001
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:12,250
lost my interest or my curiosity about

1002
00:49:18,809 --> 00:49:16,089
the topic but as to getting out there

1003
00:49:23,609 --> 00:49:18,819
and getting back up to my elbows for

1004
00:49:25,710 --> 00:49:23,619
example in dead cows or going to an area

1005
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:25,720
where there was a recent sighting

1006
00:49:34,049 --> 00:49:29,520
landing traces I haven't done that I've

1007
00:49:37,530 --> 00:49:34,059
basically since I left the field mostly

1008
00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:37,540
what I've done is is talk about it so

1009
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:40,859
basically you talk but you don't act

1010
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:43,210
yeah I guess that would be pretty

1011
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:45,730
accurate all right fair enough

1012
00:49:49,230 --> 00:49:47,890
no one's gonna force you to do that

1013
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:49,240
because there's so many things about the

1014
00:49:54,809 --> 00:49:52,690
UFO field that are toxic you understand

1015
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:54,819
why people want to give it up why people

1016
00:49:58,340 --> 00:49:56,760
want to get back to regular life

1017
00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:58,350
but there's something about it that just

1018
00:50:01,660 --> 00:50:00,900
drags you back in and you and I both

1019
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:01,670
know it

1020
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:04,560
well you know doing doing the radio show

1021
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:07,740
is actually quite a bit different than

1022
00:50:16,550 --> 00:50:12,480
being out there in the field but you see

1023
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:16,560
one thing that I have over many people

1024
00:50:21,230 --> 00:50:19,260
that today see themselves as

1025
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:21,240
broadcasting with podcast and

1026
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:21,930
what-have-you

1027
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:24,930
is the years that I put into the subject

1028
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:26,760
where I've been in the field I've talked

1029
00:50:35,420 --> 00:50:30,720
to the people I have been examining

1030
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:35,430
cases I have interviewed people of note

1031
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:40,290
and then reported on what I found so you

1032
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:46,260
know i guess i alright the risk of

1033
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:48,210
sounding like I'm a little full of

1034
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:50,490
myself I guess I've been around this

1035
00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:54,300
block a few times and often I'm able to

1036
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:56,220
discover what the pitfalls are ahead of

1037
00:51:04,820 --> 00:51:00,000
time and sometimes you still fall into

1038
00:51:08,090 --> 00:51:04,830
the trap well we all do we're human yes

1039
00:51:10,940 --> 00:51:08,100
despite the warning signs we look at

1040
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:10,950
things we fall into the trap we make the

1041
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:12,750
same mistakes over and over again even

1042
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:15,450
if they say doing the same thing over

1043
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:17,880
and over again and thinking it will

1044
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:19,650
bring a different result well that means

1045
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:22,290
you're insane well I guess most of us

1046
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are insane we have Don Ecker of the dark

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matters radio show with gene and Chris

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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here's Jane Steinberg Don Ecker of the

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dark matters radio show friend of the

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Parra cast joining us we're talking shop

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and answering your questions from forum

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dr. Peric ascom he was asked why he got

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out of the field but sometimes you think

1110
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:26,470
things like that are self-evident what's

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00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:28,570
the next question Chris well this one

1112
00:54:31,530 --> 00:54:30,250
comes from William J white and this is

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00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:31,540
interesting I've never heard this before

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00:54:36,060 --> 00:54:34,480
dawn Don I remember you mentioning that

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00:54:37,410 --> 00:54:36,070
you thought it was Bill Moore who had

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00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,420
told you about a piece of information

1117
00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:39,520
that you had gotten from one of your

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00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:41,500
government Cutler he had gotten from one

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00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:43,930
of his government contacts regarding a

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00:54:48,570 --> 00:54:45,970
couple that lived in rural California

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00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,580
who were under constant government

1122
00:54:52,740 --> 00:54:50,640
surveillance because they were actually

1123
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,750
extraterrestrials have you since

1124
00:54:56,340 --> 00:54:54,400
confirmed that it was in fact Bill Moore

1125
00:54:58,500 --> 00:54:56,350
who shared this information with you or

1126
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,510
was it someone else and do you think

1127
00:55:02,370 --> 00:54:59,920
there was anything to this peculiar

1128
00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:02,380
story this is this is a new one for me

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00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:05,950
Don no no he got that a little confused

1130
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:10,210
back in the early 90s after Bill Moore

1131
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:13,390
made his infamous announcement at the

1132
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:19,270
MUFON symposium in Las Vegas we reported

1133
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:22,720
on that a UFO magazine of course at that

1134
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:27,760
time I had a lot of contacts and I was

1135
00:55:32,820 --> 00:55:29,650
trying to keep ahead of some of these

1136
00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:32,830
these games that various peoples were

1137
00:55:38,370 --> 00:55:35,460
playing but at any rate at that time

1138
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:38,380
Bill Maher and I somewhere along the

1139
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:41,770
line agreed that we were going to have

1140
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:45,610
lunch or brunch every few weeks just a

1141
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:48,640
kind of quote unquote catch up now the

1142
00:55:54,570 --> 00:55:51,760
bottom line was no I wanted to know what

1143
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:54,580
the hell we were doing and I wanted to

1144
00:55:59,580 --> 00:55:56,650
know what the hell Moore was doing now

1145
00:56:02,670 --> 00:55:59,590
another guy came out of the woodwork

1146
00:56:06,540 --> 00:56:02,680
about that time that was making quite a

1147
00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:06,550
splash out here in California now that

1148
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:09,310
the pair cast members will recall

1149
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:11,530
was a guy by the name of Michael wall

1150
00:56:18,330 --> 00:56:13,810
was going by the name of Michael younger

1151
00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:18,340
now younger had been in touch with me

1152
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:20,200
it's a kind of a long story and I don't

1153
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:22,630
want to get sidetracked with all of that

1154
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:26,410
but one day he called me up and he knew

1155
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:28,810
that I was having these meetings with

1156
00:56:37,170 --> 00:56:32,970
more and he asked me he said by the way

1157
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:37,180
he said when you meet with Bill he said

1158
00:56:44,790 --> 00:56:40,000
ask him about this because one of my

1159
00:56:46,980 --> 00:56:44,800
contacts wants to know and I think it

1160
00:56:50,460 --> 00:56:46,990
was letting Bill Moore and his

1161
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:50,470
intelligence contact know that this

1162
00:56:57,450 --> 00:56:54,250
other group which and to be honest I

1163
00:56:59,730 --> 00:56:57,460
don't know to this day who they were or

1164
00:57:04,470 --> 00:56:59,740
who they represented but they were going

1165
00:57:07,620 --> 00:57:04,480
by the nomenclature of calm 12 that they

1166
00:57:09,780 --> 00:57:07,630
were keeping a couple Moore's

1167
00:57:12,060 --> 00:57:09,790
intelligence people were keeping a

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00:57:15,930 --> 00:57:12,070
couple living here in California

1169
00:57:20,070 --> 00:57:15,940
under surveillance and I said well for

1170
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:20,080
what reason and younger got a little

1171
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:23,920
hinky about that and finally he blurted

1172
00:57:30,750 --> 00:57:27,370
out well he said the belief is they

1173
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:30,760
might be et and you know I gotta tell

1174
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:32,290
you I thought when I heard that I

1175
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:35,770
thought oh boy what what is this so I

1176
00:57:40,890 --> 00:57:39,010
said okay sure I'll ask him so the next

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00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:40,900
meeting that we had we were sitting

1178
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:43,330
there having breakfast and we were

1179
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:46,270
chatting about this and that and I hit

1180
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:52,330
more with this and more Mohr's reaction

1181
00:58:02,850 --> 00:57:58,000
was very unusual and he looked taken

1182
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:02,860
aback and apparently there was something

1183
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:06,250
about this story that was true and

1184
00:58:14,790 --> 00:58:10,810
younger made sure that I told more that

1185
00:58:17,310 --> 00:58:14,800
according to youngers contacts that

1186
00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:17,320
these people had the potential to be

1187
00:58:21,930 --> 00:58:21,070
extremely dangerous and I passed that

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00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:21,940
along

1189
00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:24,880
and basically that was the last I ever

1190
00:58:30,539 --> 00:58:27,430
heard about it that's pretty interesting

1191
00:58:33,539 --> 00:58:30,549
you know bill more of course for some of

1192
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:33,549
our newer listeners he kind of did a Mia

1193
00:58:37,799 --> 00:58:35,530
cope I think it was 89 wasn't it dawn

1194
00:58:40,829 --> 00:58:37,809
where he he admitted that he was a

1195
00:58:44,490 --> 00:58:40,839
disinformation agent that that he had

1196
00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:44,500
been passing along well no he never

1197
00:58:50,579 --> 00:58:46,780
admitted he was a disinformation agent

1198
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:50,589
what he did was admit that he had been

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00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:53,760
working hand in glove with some of his

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00:59:00,539 --> 00:58:57,010
intelligence contacts because at one

1201
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:00,549
point they had promised him that if he

1202
00:59:07,950 --> 00:59:04,210
played along that they would bring him

1203
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:07,960
into the fold somewhat and more of

1204
00:59:13,859 --> 00:59:11,650
course like most of us was desperate to

1205
00:59:18,420 --> 00:59:13,869
try to get a handle on what this whole

1206
00:59:22,890 --> 00:59:18,430
thing was all about now yes he did admit

1207
00:59:25,230 --> 00:59:22,900
that he passed along to a civilian

1208
00:59:29,630 --> 00:59:25,240
scientist by the name of Paul bennewitz

1209
00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:29,640
a document that was patent

1210
00:59:36,269 --> 00:59:33,369
disinformation he admitted that but

1211
00:59:38,730 --> 00:59:36,279
according to what Moore told me and I

1212
00:59:42,750 --> 00:59:38,740
talked to him several times about this

1213
00:59:45,870 --> 00:59:42,760
that he cautioned bennewitz this was his

1214
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:45,880
way of trying to explain this he had

1215
00:59:52,349 --> 00:59:48,880
cautioned Paul bennewitz that he would

1216
00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:52,359
be very careful before he accepted the

1217
00:59:58,589 --> 00:59:55,260
documents contact contents at face value

1218
01:00:01,740 --> 00:59:58,599
but the bottom line is yeah he passed

1219
01:00:03,779 --> 01:00:01,750
along disinformation yeah well that's

1220
01:00:05,819 --> 01:00:03,789
that goes that goes without saying and

1221
01:00:08,970 --> 01:00:05,829
it boy did it caused an uproar in the

1222
01:00:11,279 --> 01:00:08,980
field this was a little bit before I got

1223
01:00:13,470 --> 01:00:11,289
involved but even not being directly

1224
01:00:17,370 --> 01:00:13,480
involved in the field I do recall the

1225
01:00:18,690 --> 01:00:17,380
Fuhrer in hearing hearing about it that

1226
01:00:22,829 --> 01:00:18,700
they really turned everything upside

1227
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:22,839
down it effectively destroyed his own

1228
01:00:27,420 --> 01:00:25,569
participation in this yeah yeah well it

1229
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:27,430
helps absolutely I mean he was never

1230
01:00:32,670 --> 01:00:30,400
never really taken at face value or sir

1231
01:00:35,010 --> 01:00:32,680
but really seriously again

1232
01:00:40,019 --> 01:00:35,020
for that matter not not that he's ever

1233
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:40,029
really based on what I've heard I think

1234
01:00:45,450 --> 01:00:42,010
he's really kind of reconciled this

1235
01:00:47,609 --> 01:00:45,460
whole thing in his own mind and he never

1236
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:47,619
rely think he felt a little remorse

1237
01:00:51,809 --> 01:00:49,569
about it but the fact that he actually

1238
01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:51,819
fest up showed that he was a bigger man

1239
01:00:57,539 --> 01:00:55,089
than others in the field it that way and

1240
01:00:59,940 --> 01:00:57,549
you have to you have to admit that it

1241
01:01:02,309 --> 01:00:59,950
did take a considerable amount of

1242
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:02,319
courage and I would say just you know

1243
01:01:07,529 --> 01:01:03,970
forthrightness to come forward like he

1244
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:07,539
did and that's that's commendable I

1245
01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:10,480
think to some degree now gods mckay of

1246
01:01:15,870 --> 01:01:13,900
course has as gene mentioned earlier has

1247
01:01:18,299 --> 01:01:15,880
a quite a number of questions here for

1248
01:01:20,849 --> 01:01:18,309
ya and a few of them go back to your

1249
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,859
days as a law enforcement officer and he

1250
01:01:24,269 --> 01:01:22,240
wants to know if you were directed to a

1251
01:01:27,059 --> 01:01:24,279
home in which someone proceeded to

1252
01:01:29,089 --> 01:01:27,069
relate an alien abduction type of van

1253
01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:29,099
conscious memory not through hypnosis

1254
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:32,020
while you were in law enforcement and if

1255
01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:33,730
so how did you proceed with that

1256
01:01:37,620 --> 01:01:35,529
and would you have proceeded with any

1257
01:01:41,579 --> 01:01:37,630
investigation at all as a police officer

1258
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:41,589
boy you know when I read that I gotta

1259
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:44,770
tell you i sat there and I thought about

1260
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:49,089
it and I'll be extremely honest and

1261
01:01:53,789 --> 01:01:51,730
upfront back in those days if somebody

1262
01:01:57,980 --> 01:01:53,799
would have approached me with something

1263
01:02:00,779 --> 01:01:57,990
like that quite frankly because you know

1264
01:02:05,339 --> 01:02:00,789
one thing about this field it's a

1265
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:05,349
learning experience and things that

1266
01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:09,760
today I might take at face value I would

1267
01:02:14,730 --> 01:02:12,609
have never entertained the thought 30

1268
01:02:17,279 --> 01:02:14,740
years ago but if somebody would have

1269
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:17,289
come to me with a story like that then

1270
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:20,079
okay and I'm talking about 30 plus years

1271
01:02:26,849 --> 01:02:23,200
ago I would have probably thought they

1272
01:02:29,339 --> 01:02:26,859
needed a mental health intervention yeah

1273
01:02:31,140 --> 01:02:29,349
how about now I mean would you take it a

1274
01:02:34,349 --> 01:02:31,150
little bit more seriously depending on

1275
01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:34,359
the details or all of you and for years

1276
01:02:41,339 --> 01:02:37,569
for years I have stated this and I'll

1277
01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:41,349
state it again we often had people come

1278
01:02:45,090 --> 01:02:44,020
to us when Vicki and I were doing UFO

1279
01:02:48,270 --> 01:02:45,100
magazine

1280
01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:48,280
and they would they would relay some of

1281
01:02:56,250 --> 01:02:51,880
these perceived experiences and I was

1282
01:02:59,790 --> 01:02:56,260
always always extremely uncomfortable

1283
01:03:04,080 --> 01:02:59,800
with it because I was afraid that I

1284
01:03:08,070 --> 01:03:04,090
might do more harm than I could do any

1285
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:08,080
good for them so this is what i always

1286
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:12,010
recommend it to them number one if this

1287
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:15,850
is something that you are very troubled

1288
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:18,160
about okay this is something that you

1289
01:03:25,410 --> 01:03:22,000
cannot deal with that you need you you

1290
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:25,420
feel the need to have support with this

1291
01:03:32,340 --> 01:03:28,720
perceived experience the first thing

1292
01:03:35,820 --> 01:03:32,350
that I would recommend to you is to see

1293
01:03:38,550 --> 01:03:35,830
your family physician right before we

1294
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,560
talk about that physician and what he

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across America but here are some good

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para cast calm so the first suggestion

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you see the family physician assuming

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you have one and I think a lot of people

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01:08:18,579 --> 01:08:17,569
don't these days right what's the next

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suggestion Don Ecker

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number one you see your family's

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physician number two if you are having a

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hard time dealing with this perceived

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experience seek a mental health

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counselor now I am NOT suggesting by any

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stretch of the imagination that I'm

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saying that you're disturbed what I am

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saying is that these would be the people

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that might be able to help you deal with

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the situation what we're talking about

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here guys and this is not something that

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01:09:00,910 --> 01:08:57,529
is often discussed in connection with

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01:09:04,420 --> 01:09:00,920
abduction but we are dealing with the

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01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:04,430
type of PTSD if it's an actual

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01:09:09,340 --> 01:09:06,170
experience that these people have

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undergone the other thing that I took

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01:09:17,530 --> 01:09:13,009
that I would tell them is that I do not

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01:09:20,039 --> 01:09:17,540
under any circumstance recommend going

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01:09:26,010 --> 01:09:20,049
to someone that

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01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:26,020
deals in UFO hypnotherapy or well even

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01:09:30,329 --> 01:09:28,150
some of these groups that would get

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01:09:34,530 --> 01:09:30,339
together you've got to be very very

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01:09:37,589 --> 01:09:34,540
careful because they can muddy up the

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01:09:41,069 --> 01:09:37,599
field if you're in there I have been to

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01:09:44,339 --> 01:09:41,079
a number of hypnotherapy regressions as

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01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:44,349
an observer and in one case in

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01:09:50,669 --> 01:09:46,770
particular I remember this

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01:09:53,939 --> 01:09:50,679
hypnotherapist talking to the client

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01:09:56,729 --> 01:09:53,949
that they were dealing with and during

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01:10:01,560 --> 01:09:56,739
the hypnotherapy I can remember

1433
01:10:03,330 --> 01:10:01,570
distinctly this person asking the the

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01:10:07,049 --> 01:10:03,340
person on the couch

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01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:07,059
well what planet were they from Oh voice

1436
01:10:15,689 --> 01:10:10,210
this kind of this kind of business boy

1437
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:15,699
will just screw the pooch okay so I I i

1438
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:17,650
would be very careful with this because

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01:10:24,030 --> 01:10:21,040
you can really screw up someone's mind

1440
01:10:26,850 --> 01:10:24,040
and that's why I always refuse to get

1441
01:10:29,129 --> 01:10:26,860
involved in those and in particular what

1442
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:29,139
you just said if you do that you're

1443
01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:31,570
basically causing them to fabricate an

1444
01:10:36,839 --> 01:10:34,630
experience exactly and that makes it

1445
01:10:38,819 --> 01:10:36,849
worse I understand for example why Kevin

1446
01:10:42,060 --> 01:10:38,829
Randle doesn't believe in hypnotic

1447
01:10:46,799 --> 01:10:42,070
regression yes yeah Randall Bill Cohn

1448
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:46,809
dr. bill Cohn and former he's now he's

1449
01:10:52,260 --> 01:10:49,210
now left this stage but television

1450
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:52,270
producer Russ estie's wrote a book about

1451
01:10:56,970 --> 01:10:54,880
that very thing and incidentally when

1452
01:11:00,240 --> 01:10:56,980
they did and unfortunately I don't

1453
01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:00,250
remember the title of Randall Conan st's

1454
01:11:05,729 --> 01:11:02,260
book but when they wrote that boy they

1455
01:11:08,399 --> 01:11:05,739
got a lot of hate in the UFO field there

1456
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:08,409
wasn't much love coming their way how

1457
01:11:12,510 --> 01:11:10,570
about other types of cases while you're

1458
01:11:14,459 --> 01:11:12,520
in law enforcement God's McKay asks

1459
01:11:16,830 --> 01:11:14,469
again cop days did you ever hear

1460
01:11:19,229 --> 01:11:16,840
anything yourself or through the

1461
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:19,239
grapevine a law enforcement grapevine

1462
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:21,489
that was worthy of the x-files any sort

1463
01:11:26,850 --> 01:11:23,489
of strange paranormal type reports that

1464
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,860
were filed yes before you answer that

1465
01:11:32,339 --> 01:11:28,719
question I missed our listeners the book

1466
01:11:33,870 --> 01:11:32,349
from Kevin Randall Russ STS and William

1467
01:11:36,450 --> 01:11:33,880
Cohn is called the abduction

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01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:36,460
enigma an investigation of the alien

1469
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:39,520
abduction phenomenon it's from 1999 I

1470
01:11:42,780 --> 01:11:41,170
guess some publishers still have used

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01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:42,790
copies sorry to interrupt

1472
01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:45,040
yes yeah there were there were two

1473
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:48,070
things that came to mind about would

1474
01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:50,770
they be worthy of the x-files and

1475
01:11:55,140 --> 01:11:53,260
the first one that I'm going to mention

1476
01:11:57,689 --> 01:11:55,150
is one that I've mentioned here before

1477
01:12:00,439 --> 01:11:57,699
when I was a lead investigator on to

1478
01:12:03,890 --> 01:12:00,449
cattle mutilation cases that I think

1479
01:12:08,430 --> 01:12:03,900
definitely qualifies the other one

1480
01:12:12,209 --> 01:12:08,440
happened not long after I first became a

1481
01:12:14,490 --> 01:12:12,219
uniformed police officer now one thing

1482
01:12:19,740 --> 01:12:14,500
that I'll never forget

1483
01:12:23,879 --> 01:12:19,750
because at the time I was not thinking

1484
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:23,889
much along the lines of UFOs or those

1485
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:28,650
types of experiences but we had a hot a

1486
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:33,610
hotline telephone number to call in the

1487
01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:36,850
event that something youthful logical

1488
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:39,280
came our way and I'll never forget the

1489
01:12:44,490 --> 01:12:41,110
first time and I I don't anymore

1490
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:44,500
remember what the number was or who it

1491
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:47,050
went to I never used it but we had a

1492
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:51,280
number right there in the department to

1493
01:12:55,770 --> 01:12:54,850
contact if we heard of any UFO cases

1494
01:12:58,860 --> 01:12:55,780
okay

1495
01:13:01,020 --> 01:12:58,870
now that that kind of I found that kind

1496
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:01,030
of strange at the time we're talking

1497
01:13:11,250 --> 01:13:07,570
circa 1970 early early 1974 the other

1498
01:13:14,939 --> 01:13:11,260
thing that I heard about that was kind

1499
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:14,949
of a mind-blower was between my home

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01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:20,170
town and going down into antis County

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01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:22,090
now there were a couple of ways that you

1502
01:13:29,550 --> 01:13:26,770
could get there but this one route was

1503
01:13:33,379 --> 01:13:29,560
kind of like on a country lane when I

1504
01:13:36,570 --> 01:13:33,389
heard about this I was absolutely amazed

1505
01:13:39,810 --> 01:13:36,580
but another police officer from a

1506
01:13:42,620 --> 01:13:39,820
different department his wife had been

1507
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:42,630
driving down there and if I remember now

1508
01:13:51,300 --> 01:13:47,330
this would have been in the fall and

1509
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:51,310
was literally driven off the road

1510
01:14:00,010 --> 01:13:56,570
wrecked her car and when all the the

1511
01:14:03,670 --> 01:14:00,020
facts came out about it she claimed that

1512
01:14:08,350 --> 01:14:03,680
a UFO an unidentified flying object a

1513
01:14:12,490 --> 01:14:08,360
saucer had streaked down over flew the

1514
01:14:15,390 --> 01:14:12,500
road was coming right at her and she was

1515
01:14:20,410 --> 01:14:15,400
driven off the road and into a tree even

1516
01:14:22,710 --> 01:14:20,420
MUFON the mutual UFO network reported on

1517
01:14:26,230 --> 01:14:22,720
that in one of their monthly

1518
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,240
publications and I think if I remember

1519
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:28,400
correctly and I could be wrong

1520
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:31,520
but this was reported on sometime during

1521
01:14:40,650 --> 01:14:36,170
I believe it was 1973 I think that would

1522
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:40,660
have probably been x-files worthy Chris

1523
01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:44,090
um we have a bunch of questions Don

1524
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:47,870
about your very commendable work you

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01:14:51,070 --> 01:14:49,610
know with the lunar anomalies subject

1526
01:14:53,380 --> 01:14:51,080
but I want to go on to some of the other

1527
01:14:56,410 --> 01:14:53,390
questions first and then then we'll get

1528
01:14:58,960 --> 01:14:56,420
into that this is another question from

1529
01:15:01,090 --> 01:14:58,970
Coggs McCain it's a good one do you

1530
01:15:03,010 --> 01:15:01,100
think the huge number of UFO videos

1531
01:15:05,170 --> 01:15:03,020
being taken and available now are

1532
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,180
leading to some critical mass that makes

1533
01:15:09,460 --> 01:15:07,280
it undeniable that there are objects or

1534
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:09,470
phenomena in the sky that are neither

1535
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:12,310
hoaxes or explain that you can explain

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01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:15,890
conventionally and he says I believe

1537
01:15:20,620 --> 01:15:18,110
that even after weeding out obvious

1538
01:15:22,060 --> 01:15:20,630
computer graphic hoax hoaxes etc there

1539
01:15:24,250 --> 01:15:22,070
are still a staggering amount of good

1540
01:15:27,070 --> 01:15:24,260
videos and pictures out there and the

1541
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:27,080
number is increasing hugely do you think

1542
01:15:32,380 --> 01:15:30,530
that this is going to you think the the

1543
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:32,390
the data or the images are going

1544
01:15:37,060 --> 01:15:33,890
overwhelm the mystery do you think this

1545
01:15:38,230 --> 01:15:37,070
is a some sort of positive development

1546
01:15:41,230 --> 01:15:38,240
and do you think it's going to make it

1547
01:15:44,710 --> 01:15:41,240
easier to possibly gain more information

1548
01:15:50,620 --> 01:15:44,720
about this about these mysteries you

1549
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:50,630
know word no I don't I don't think to

1550
01:15:58,930 --> 01:15:54,050
begin with I'd gone up to YouTube and

1551
01:15:59,939 --> 01:15:58,940
have looked at many many videos many of

1552
01:16:03,479 --> 01:15:59,949
those

1553
01:16:07,379 --> 01:16:03,489
are quite frankly hoaxes okay

1554
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:07,389
the stuff that can be done today with

1555
01:16:16,739 --> 01:16:11,920
computers and software just boggle the

1556
01:16:20,459 --> 01:16:16,749
mind and many many many of those videos

1557
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:20,469
that are put up there are our suspect

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01:16:26,129 --> 01:16:23,920
just on the very front of it and before

1559
01:16:28,410 --> 01:16:26,139
we get to the back of it we have Don

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Ecker joining gene and Chris you're in

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it's fake TV this year about one in

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every 50 US homes will have a break in

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with burglars usually picking the easy

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targets a dark house that looks like no

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one is home fake TV is a small

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electronic security device that makes it

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simulating the light from a real TV fake

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coming home to a secure house or one

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that's been ransacked to get your fake

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Don Ecker with Gina and Chris and the

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para cast and he's answering your

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questions which were posted forum dot

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the para cast comm Don you were in the

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middle of answering a question from our

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listeners would you proceed yes the the

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other thing is regardless of how many

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01:21:34,339 --> 01:21:30,179
photographs or pictures that are taken

1676
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:34,349
of supposed anomalies today it is

1677
01:21:43,339 --> 01:21:38,130
virtually impossible to validate many of

1678
01:21:46,069 --> 01:21:43,349
these simply because of the power of

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personal computers the software the way

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01:21:51,950 --> 01:21:49,409
that these things can be manipulated a

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01:21:56,750 --> 01:21:51,960
few years ago about three years ago I

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01:22:01,310 --> 01:21:56,760
was working with a guy that was trying

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01:22:05,209 --> 01:22:01,320
to put together a television program

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this guy was a producer on my lunar

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01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:09,000
stuff and at the time that that I was

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01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:11,369
working on speck incidentally it was all

1687
01:22:19,689 --> 01:22:14,610
ended up being a freebie he often would

1688
01:22:25,069 --> 01:22:19,699
direct me to various links that were

1689
01:22:27,129 --> 01:22:25,079
supposedly showing some UFOs that had

1690
01:22:31,790 --> 01:22:27,139
been videotaped I'll never forget one

1691
01:22:33,740 --> 01:22:31,800
that took place somewhere supposedly on

1692
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:33,750
an island I believe down in the

1693
01:22:41,899 --> 01:22:37,170
Caribbean if I recall correctly were

1694
01:22:44,930 --> 01:22:41,909
these two absolutely mind-boggling UFOs

1695
01:22:47,780 --> 01:22:44,940
with fire coming out of them what have

1696
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:47,790
you right above a palm tree that was

1697
01:22:52,729 --> 01:22:50,250
that was the Haiti they call it the

1698
01:22:55,939 --> 01:22:52,739
Haiti footage I think right well it was

1699
01:22:57,979 --> 01:22:55,949
bogus the whole thing was was slapped

1700
01:23:00,979 --> 01:22:57,989
together by somebody they did one

1701
01:23:02,359 --> 01:23:00,989
tremendous job on it and boy I'll tell

1702
01:23:04,339 --> 01:23:02,369
you the first time I saw it I was

1703
01:23:08,660 --> 01:23:04,349
thinking to myself good lord

1704
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:08,670
but it was phony so how do you today

1705
01:23:13,250 --> 01:23:10,800
with with the digital thing with

1706
01:23:16,459 --> 01:23:13,260
computers with software how do you make

1707
01:23:17,449 --> 01:23:16,469
a determination on what's real what is

1708
01:23:19,219 --> 01:23:17,459
and it's not like the

1709
01:23:23,259 --> 01:23:19,229
days where you could go back and you

1710
01:23:26,660 --> 01:23:23,269
could have experts examine the negatives

1711
01:23:28,729 --> 01:23:26,670
from you know from footage you could you

1712
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:28,739
could examine to see whoa was this thing

1713
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:32,130
hanging from a wire was it suspended in

1714
01:23:38,989 --> 01:23:35,130
air some way it's impossible to do so

1715
01:23:40,580 --> 01:23:38,999
I'm very cynical about that so you think

1716
01:23:42,140 --> 01:23:40,590
that this is actually doing more harm

1717
01:23:44,779 --> 01:23:42,150
than good it's actually making it more

1718
01:23:46,879 --> 01:23:44,789
difficult to separate this signal out of

1719
01:23:49,939 --> 01:23:46,889
the noise a wheat from the chaff so to

1720
01:23:52,419 --> 01:23:49,949
speak absolutely yes well there are

1721
01:23:56,270 --> 01:23:52,429
certain there are certain diagnostic

1722
01:23:58,729 --> 01:23:56,280
elements that the average hoaxer is not

1723
01:24:01,069 --> 01:23:58,739
aware of that has to do with the

1724
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:01,079
ionization effect that these objects

1725
01:24:05,569 --> 01:24:02,880
have in the atmosphere especially

1726
01:24:09,469 --> 01:24:05,579
anywhere near water you're going to have

1727
01:24:12,169 --> 01:24:09,479
what a kindle plasma effects that that

1728
01:24:14,810 --> 01:24:12,179
tend to be seen during legitimate

1729
01:24:16,969 --> 01:24:14,820
sightings and could account for instance

1730
01:24:20,449 --> 01:24:16,979
for some of the vivid colors that people

1731
01:24:23,330 --> 01:24:20,459
have reported over the years so I think

1732
01:24:24,979 --> 01:24:23,340
with an accurate analysis by somebody

1733
01:24:28,060 --> 01:24:24,989
who knows what they're looking at I

1734
01:24:30,020 --> 01:24:28,070
think that these these things can be

1735
01:24:32,839 --> 01:24:30,030
determined whether they're real or not

1736
01:24:35,089 --> 01:24:32,849
pretty quickly but you're right Don I

1737
01:24:38,350 --> 01:24:35,099
mean for the average person looking at

1738
01:24:40,939 --> 01:24:38,360
some of these these videos on YouTube

1739
01:24:44,509 --> 01:24:40,949
with with the you know the super

1740
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:44,519
compressed video that you know YouTube

1741
01:24:48,830 --> 01:24:47,130
is is now becoming infinite infamous for

1742
01:24:51,859 --> 01:24:48,840
in the UFO realm

1743
01:24:53,959 --> 01:24:51,869
some of them are just huh you just have

1744
01:24:56,060 --> 01:24:53,969
to wonder why sounds gonna spend

1745
01:24:59,569 --> 01:24:56,070
hundreds of hours to create some of

1746
01:25:01,399 --> 01:24:59,579
these amazing hoaxes why just just to

1747
01:25:03,379 --> 01:25:01,409
get their Yaya's off and get people

1748
01:25:05,899 --> 01:25:03,389
thinking that this is a real a real

1749
01:25:08,419 --> 01:25:05,909
sighting event I wonder about the

1750
01:25:10,699 --> 01:25:08,429
motivation sometimes behind some of

1751
01:25:13,359 --> 01:25:10,709
these very elaborate videos that that

1752
01:25:16,370 --> 01:25:13,369
are you see more and more of them and

1753
01:25:19,100 --> 01:25:16,380
it's unfortunate does muddy the waters

1754
01:25:20,899 --> 01:25:19,110
but he asked a related question the

1755
01:25:23,839 --> 01:25:20,909
availability of affordable reasonable

1756
01:25:26,179 --> 01:25:23,849
quality digital cameras on phones etc in

1757
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:26,189
countries where previously there were

1758
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:28,800
few means that there are now potentially

1759
01:25:33,239 --> 01:25:30,489
hundreds of millions of new witness

1760
01:25:35,549 --> 01:25:33,249
with evidence of UFO activity and I

1761
01:25:38,549 --> 01:25:35,559
would add the word with potential

1762
01:25:41,939 --> 01:25:38,559
evidence of UFO activity an example is a

1763
01:25:44,489 --> 01:25:41,949
former Soviet Union do you think Don UFO

1764
01:25:46,410 --> 01:25:44,499
activity on the whole is increasing or

1765
01:25:48,089 --> 01:25:46,420
we just more able to capture the

1766
01:25:49,890 --> 01:25:48,099
evidence I think there was an article

1767
01:25:52,649 --> 01:25:49,900
that just came out last week saying that

1768
01:25:57,330 --> 01:25:52,659
we've had a quite a significant drop

1769
01:25:59,250 --> 01:25:57,340
since 2012 in in reported UFO sightings

1770
01:26:00,089 --> 01:25:59,260
what what's your feelings did you see

1771
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:00,099
any trends here

1772
01:26:07,140 --> 01:26:04,960
no actually with the few exceptions it

1773
01:26:10,350 --> 01:26:07,150
seems like there have been fewer and

1774
01:26:13,379 --> 01:26:10,360
fewer reports coming out now back in the

1775
01:26:16,979 --> 01:26:13,389
90s there were a number of groups there

1776
01:26:20,540 --> 01:26:16,989
were organizations not the least of

1777
01:26:23,879 --> 01:26:20,550
which was MUFON the mutual UFO network

1778
01:26:27,810 --> 01:26:23,889
there was organizations like the fund

1779
01:26:29,790 --> 01:26:27,820
for UFO research there were some serious

1780
01:26:32,810 --> 01:26:29,800
people that were trying to do some

1781
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:32,820
serious work unfortunately because of

1782
01:26:40,410 --> 01:26:37,570
current economic conditions the fact

1783
01:26:44,370 --> 01:26:40,420
that it's seemingly

1784
01:26:49,470 --> 01:26:44,380
more and more amateurs are entering the

1785
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:49,480
fray with not a basic background or MO

1786
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:51,690
and how to conduct a correct

1787
01:26:57,330 --> 01:26:54,400
investigation or how to go about

1788
01:27:00,839 --> 01:26:57,340
securing evidence talking to people

1789
01:27:05,279 --> 01:27:00,849
interviewing people I I've seen the

1790
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:05,289
whole feel basically de-evolve and I

1791
01:27:09,060 --> 01:27:07,449
think if you're if you're being honest I

1792
01:27:13,770 --> 01:27:09,070
think you would agree with that

1793
01:27:16,169 --> 01:27:13,780
sounds like Divo the off the rock band

1794
01:27:16,799 --> 01:27:16,179
of the 80s yeah I would agree with that

1795
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:16,809
boy

1796
01:27:24,189 --> 01:27:21,679
so you know did to get back to it I

1797
01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:24,199
I'm not real positive about the

1798
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:26,209
direction that a lot of this stuff is

1799
01:27:29,399 --> 01:27:27,050
heading

1800
01:27:33,219 --> 01:27:29,409
especially when you when you have

1801
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:33,229
organizations like MUFON that for all

1802
01:27:42,399 --> 01:27:37,570
intents and purposes have been co-opted

1803
01:27:45,699 --> 01:27:42,409
any data that flows in seemingly goes

1804
01:27:46,299 --> 01:27:45,709
down a deep dark hole never to be seen

1805
01:27:49,330 --> 01:27:46,309
again

1806
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:49,340
the people that do have money and I'm

1807
01:27:54,819 --> 01:27:51,199
talking about primarily folks like

1808
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:54,829
Robert Bigelow who seemingly collects

1809
01:28:00,969 --> 01:27:58,010
this information as soon as it's fresh

1810
01:28:03,729 --> 01:28:00,979
off the griddle is not releasing any of

1811
01:28:06,669 --> 01:28:03,739
it it all goes in doesn't come out now

1812
01:28:08,469 --> 01:28:06,679
in the case of MUFON I think that was

1813
01:28:11,469 --> 01:28:08,479
the dispute they had with him Bigelow

1814
01:28:13,509 --> 01:28:11,479
was financing MUFON investigations but

1815
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:13,519
now MUFON still has a publication they

1816
01:28:18,459 --> 01:28:16,159
still have their annual events the only

1817
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:18,469
criticism I see is that there's more of

1818
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:20,570
an effort to give them entertainment

1819
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:22,249
value at the expense of solid

1820
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:25,130
information yeah bring on guests who

1821
01:28:29,229 --> 01:28:27,650
maybe should have been vetted have we

1822
01:28:34,330 --> 01:28:29,239
learned that before and and not only

1823
01:28:37,929 --> 01:28:34,340
that but you you get the same old crowd

1824
01:28:42,779 --> 01:28:37,939
going in there when is the last time

1825
01:28:46,660 --> 01:28:42,789
that they actually had an investigator

1826
01:28:50,020 --> 01:28:46,670
speaker somebody to come in and really

1827
01:28:53,410 --> 01:28:50,030
shake them at the the foundation you

1828
01:28:56,739 --> 01:28:53,420
don't have that my god I mean you can

1829
01:28:59,410 --> 01:28:56,749
say a lot of things for example about

1830
01:29:02,620 --> 01:28:59,420
the 1989

1831
01:29:07,419 --> 01:29:02,630
MUFON symposium and that was hosted by

1832
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:07,429
John Lear of all people but that I was

1833
01:29:12,069 --> 01:29:09,199
there as a matter of fact I was a

1834
01:29:17,020 --> 01:29:12,079
speaker there the only time that I ever

1835
01:29:20,140 --> 01:29:17,030
spoke at a MUFON symposium of that

1836
01:29:22,299 --> 01:29:20,150
stature and there were a lot of things

1837
01:29:24,689 --> 01:29:22,309
that were shaken up there but you don't

1838
01:29:27,489 --> 01:29:24,699
see it anymore they don't want to ruffle

1839
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:27,499
feathers they don't want to you know

1840
01:29:33,010 --> 01:29:31,489
make waves and so what what do you what

1841
01:29:35,450 --> 01:29:33,020
are you stuck with

1842
01:29:38,300 --> 01:29:35,460
well the other thing I see and this is

1843
01:29:40,069 --> 01:29:38,310
an example Chris and I went to the

1844
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:40,079
International UFO conference near

1845
01:29:44,419 --> 01:29:42,690
Phoenix and they had a lot of really

1846
01:29:47,450 --> 01:29:44,429
good speakers this year unlike the

1847
01:29:49,609 --> 01:29:47,460
previous year but how many people if you

1848
01:29:52,669 --> 01:29:49,619
look at the demographics were below 50

1849
01:29:54,319 --> 01:29:52,679
years of age so we have the UFO events

1850
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:54,329
but are they attracting the younger

1851
01:29:58,220 --> 01:29:56,639
people that we need to move the

1852
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investigation forward we need the new

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ideas and we old codgers just can't run

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it ourselves well yeah and the other

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thing is why would somebody that's 25 or

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Ecker of the dark matters radio show

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[Music]

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01:35:08,260 --> 01:35:05,450
as usual you listeners to the para cast

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01:35:12,340 --> 01:35:08,270
asked the great questions of our guests

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01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:12,350
and we've been putting the head to the

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01:35:15,940 --> 01:35:14,210
grindstone here to try to get the best

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01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:15,950
questions out for our guests on and

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01:35:20,260 --> 01:35:18,410
Eckhart Chris yeah I've got a real good

1972
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:20,270
one here this is hey we're waiting for

1973
01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:22,370
this one yeah this is from William J

1974
01:35:27,370 --> 01:35:25,280
white your history with Bill Mora we've

1975
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:27,380
we've talked about but he's interested

1976
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:29,330
in your history with another bill bill

1977
01:35:35,650 --> 01:35:33,290
Cooper that is the stuff of legend do

1978
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:35,660
you see anyone in the current scene Don

1979
01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:37,850
who has either taken Cooper's place or

1980
01:35:45,730 --> 01:35:40,490
is potentially the next Nutter in line

1981
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:45,740
for his mantle oh boy where do we where

1982
01:35:53,850 --> 01:35:48,800
do we start the list well there are

1983
01:36:02,050 --> 01:35:53,860
people out there that I suppose could be

1984
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:02,060
put into the same Cooper but hey let's

1985
01:36:10,740 --> 01:36:05,330
let's be real here Cooper was in a class

1986
01:36:15,010 --> 01:36:10,750
of his own and even to this day

1987
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:15,020
occasionally I will I will see people

1988
01:36:20,710 --> 01:36:18,400
that still support Bill Cooper's

1989
01:36:22,630 --> 01:36:20,720
information and Bill Cooper they never

1990
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:22,640
knew the guy

1991
01:36:27,250 --> 01:36:25,010
they never many of them never spoke to

1992
01:36:30,250 --> 01:36:27,260
the guy they've read his book behold a

1993
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:30,260
pail of horse manure which is still a

1994
01:36:37,420 --> 01:36:33,050
huge selling book believe it or not you

1995
01:36:40,300 --> 01:36:37,430
can't put down a good hoax yeah and you

1996
01:36:46,210 --> 01:36:40,310
know but the guy and he's been dead

1997
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:46,220
since November 2001 I believe you know

1998
01:36:52,540 --> 01:36:50,090
you you just can't keep this guy buried

1999
01:36:56,260 --> 01:36:52,550
he's like a vampire he keeps rising from

2000
01:36:58,390 --> 01:36:56,270
the grave but there are there are a

2001
01:37:01,100 --> 01:36:58,400
number of people out there that can be

2002
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:01,110
almost as shrill

2003
01:37:08,170 --> 01:37:05,010
almost as disruptive as bill Cooper but

2004
01:37:12,710 --> 01:37:08,180
you know honestly I don't see anyone

2005
01:37:17,390 --> 01:37:12,720
with the stature of a bill Cooper today

2006
01:37:20,750 --> 01:37:17,400
that is close to galvanizing the great

2007
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unwashed the way Cooper could well I

2008
01:37:24,860 --> 01:37:23,040
guess that's good well I think it's good

2009
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:24,870
you know maybe we're actually making

2010
01:37:31,370 --> 01:37:28,320
progress slowly painfully as these old

2011
01:37:33,950 --> 01:37:31,380
hoaxers die off they're not replaced by

2012
01:37:35,540 --> 01:37:33,960
newer hoaxers except maybe kids who play

2013
01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:35,550
with their cameras and maybe want to

2014
01:37:40,730 --> 01:37:38,880
become video directors filmmakers so

2015
01:37:42,380 --> 01:37:40,740
they make those fake UFO films I think

2016
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:42,390
that's part of where we get those videos

2017
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:45,090
from yeah or you know something along

2018
01:37:50,630 --> 01:37:47,730
the line if you remember a few years ago

2019
01:37:52,910 --> 01:37:50,640
the Blair Witch Project which was and I

2020
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:52,920
watched that and I gotta tell you I

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01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:57,360
thought it was it was crap I was was

2022
01:38:03,920 --> 01:37:59,760
really glad I didn't pay to go see that

2023
01:38:06,440 --> 01:38:03,930
but sure you've got you've got people

2024
01:38:10,820 --> 01:38:06,450
out there that would love to run the

2025
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:10,830
next great hoax by and and catch you

2026
01:38:17,780 --> 01:38:13,170
know especially some of these UFO folks

2027
01:38:20,210 --> 01:38:17,790
by the short hairs but only time will

2028
01:38:25,220 --> 01:38:20,220
tell so we can't have any more Lost

2029
01:38:29,060 --> 01:38:25,230
Creek UFO films yeah I still have a

2030
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:29,070
problem with some of these very I mean

2031
01:38:35,900 --> 01:38:32,130
they don't have a discriminating bone in

2032
01:38:40,370 --> 01:38:35,910
their scientific body the third phase of

2033
01:38:42,860 --> 01:38:40,380
Moon that group Michael Cohen there are

2034
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:42,870
a disturbingly

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01:38:50,050 --> 01:38:46,170
I think in a sense an increasing amount

2036
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:50,060
of organizations and and YouTube

2037
01:38:58,430 --> 01:38:53,250
channels that are jumping on anything

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01:39:00,560 --> 01:38:58,440
that looks potentially real and that you

2039
01:39:02,450 --> 01:39:00,570
know again to someone who knows the

2040
01:39:04,730 --> 01:39:02,460
field most of the stuff that you can see

2041
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:04,740
right through it but but promoting these

2042
01:39:10,700 --> 01:39:08,010
hoaxes do as you put it the great

2043
01:39:13,700 --> 01:39:10,710
unwashed masses as being real events and

2044
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:13,710
I think it's really doing the field a

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01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:14,530
lot more harm

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01:39:20,220 --> 01:39:18,010
good we're descending into this pop

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01:39:22,500 --> 01:39:20,230
culture sort of programming of what this

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phenomena or what these phenomena are

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01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:25,000
and and you know potentially what

2050
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they're about and in creating so much

2051
01:39:33,419 --> 01:39:31,059
muddy water to have to wade through and

2052
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it's it's you only have so many hours in

2053
01:39:37,649 --> 01:39:35,159
a day and who wants to waste their time

2054
01:39:39,779 --> 01:39:37,659
looking at their Facebook posting or

2055
01:39:41,609 --> 01:39:39,789
answering an email go you gotta see this

2056
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:41,619
this clip you got to see this footage

2057
01:39:46,020 --> 01:39:43,690
and you know the clock is ticking while

2058
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:46,030
you're going to the site looking at this

2059
01:39:50,279 --> 01:39:47,530
stuff and saying oh I can't believe

2060
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:50,289
somebody thinks this is real so we might

2061
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:52,719
not have these galvanizing presences but

2062
01:39:58,560 --> 01:39:54,730
we do have these these people that are

2063
01:40:00,540 --> 01:39:58,570
better I think for the sake of traffic

2064
01:40:03,839 --> 01:40:00,550
numbers on their YouTube channel or for

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01:40:06,359 --> 01:40:03,849
whatever motivation are promoting you

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01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:06,369
know ridiculousness and to me that is

2067
01:40:12,930 --> 01:40:09,010
really doing a lot of harm and you know

2068
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:12,940
a single person I think is an easy

2069
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:14,530
target but when you have these groups

2070
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:17,650
it's there it's much more difficult to

2071
01:40:21,779 --> 01:40:19,360
combat the negative effect that they're

2072
01:40:24,959 --> 01:40:21,789
having I think in public perception well

2073
01:40:29,939 --> 01:40:24,969
you know back from about 1989 through

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01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:29,949
just about the end of 1997 I did an

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01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:33,520
incredible amount of appearances on

2076
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various television programs and I mean a

2077
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:41,559
lot for a couple of years there you

2078
01:40:47,819 --> 01:40:43,449
could you know catch an appearance that

2079
01:40:50,189 --> 01:40:47,829
I made on various programs almost every

2080
01:40:55,529 --> 01:40:50,199
week then during that period of time I

2081
01:41:00,209 --> 01:40:55,539
still believed that we at UFO magazine

2082
01:41:03,540 --> 01:41:00,219
could influence the field if I could get

2083
01:41:07,620 --> 01:41:03,550
some of these TV guys and in a few cases

2084
01:41:11,970 --> 01:41:07,630
then some TV women to listen to some

2085
01:41:14,490 --> 01:41:11,980
ideas that I had and it was what the

2086
01:41:18,810 --> 01:41:14,500
ideas were were actually very simple I

2087
01:41:23,220 --> 01:41:18,820
said look why do you run UFO shows on on

2088
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:23,230
your program well one very simple reason

2089
01:41:28,699 --> 01:41:27,280
ratings okay you want to get as many

2090
01:41:32,419 --> 01:41:28,709
view

2091
01:41:35,429 --> 01:41:32,429
potentially to watch your program as you

2092
01:41:38,399 --> 01:41:35,439
conceivably can now I'm gonna tell you

2093
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:38,409
how you can do that with the UFO subject

2094
01:41:47,009 --> 01:41:42,489
and I you know I I had my patter down to

2095
01:41:52,699 --> 01:41:47,019
a to a fine tune there I said all you've

2096
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:52,709
got to do is we can do a special on

2097
01:42:02,489 --> 01:41:57,449
specifically military and NASA

2098
01:42:05,449 --> 01:42:02,499
encounters on the UFO subject and I beat

2099
01:42:07,469 --> 01:42:05,459
that drum and I beat that drum with

2100
01:42:11,639 --> 01:42:07,479
everybody I could talk to

2101
01:42:16,830 --> 01:42:11,649
I took meetings at places like see a a

2102
01:42:19,379 --> 01:42:16,840
and you know other big talent agencies I

2103
01:42:22,679 --> 01:42:19,389
took meetings with all kinds of

2104
01:42:26,219 --> 01:42:22,689
producers I could not get one of those

2105
01:42:29,219 --> 01:42:26,229
brain-dead morons to see what I was

2106
01:42:32,339 --> 01:42:29,229
telling them was the absolute bottom

2107
01:42:36,889 --> 01:42:32,349
line truth can you imagine if they would

2108
01:42:39,810 --> 01:42:36,899
have put some of the energy into a

2109
01:42:42,359 --> 01:42:39,820
special like that like they later put

2110
01:42:49,310 --> 01:42:42,369
into the Monica Lewinsky scandal for

2111
01:42:52,159 --> 01:42:49,320
example alien autopsy my god yes and

2112
01:42:55,500 --> 01:42:52,169
nobody I couldn't get anyone to

2113
01:42:59,909 --> 01:42:55,510
seriously consider that and you know why

2114
01:43:03,659 --> 01:42:59,919
I think why that was so I think it

2115
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:03,669
scared the hell out of them I think they

2116
01:43:10,619 --> 01:43:07,449
were literally frightened at what forces

2117
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:10,629
they might be unleashing if they went

2118
01:43:18,959 --> 01:43:13,570
with something like that because face it

2119
01:43:21,659 --> 01:43:18,969
most UB is pure crap pure crap well well

2120
01:43:24,020 --> 01:43:21,669
done you were you were known back in in

2121
01:43:26,219 --> 01:43:24,030
that particular time period and later

2122
01:43:26,759 --> 01:43:26,229
for your appearances on the Larry King

2123
01:43:29,189 --> 01:43:26,769
show

2124
01:43:32,659 --> 01:43:29,199
cogs McKay has a has an interesting

2125
01:43:35,729 --> 01:43:32,669
question here for you about Larry King

2126
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:35,739
he says I only just read that Larry King

2127
01:43:40,619 --> 01:43:38,800
had a UFO sighting you having been on

2128
01:43:41,810 --> 01:43:40,629
this show before do you know any details

2129
01:43:44,100 --> 01:43:41,820
of this sighting

2130
01:43:46,170 --> 01:43:44,110
I've never heard him bring it up when he

2131
01:43:48,540 --> 01:43:46,180
covers a topic on the air meaning King

2132
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:48,550
and I don't actually know if the report

2133
01:43:55,620 --> 01:43:51,930
of him having aside it is is is a fact I

2134
01:43:58,220 --> 01:43:55,630
know anything like that I seem to kind

2135
01:44:01,140 --> 01:43:58,230
of faintly recall that that kind of did

2136
01:44:04,010 --> 01:44:01,150
spark his interest but I've never heard

2137
01:44:06,900 --> 01:44:04,020
any details about it no Larry King was

2138
01:44:12,209 --> 01:44:06,910
well once again we're talking pure

2139
01:44:17,490 --> 01:44:12,219
pablum the closest probably that Larry

2140
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:17,500
ever got to really and and and I pissed

2141
01:44:24,150 --> 01:44:21,280
him off to the point that it was the

2142
01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:24,160
last time that I ever appeared on his

2143
01:44:30,900 --> 01:44:27,520
show I probably and I'd have to sit down

2144
01:44:34,410 --> 01:44:30,910
and count them I think five maybe six

2145
01:44:39,209 --> 01:44:34,420
appearances on King and the last one I

2146
01:44:42,690 --> 01:44:39,219
did was with Jim Oberg on the sts-48

2147
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:42,700
thing and and I basically and I didn't

2148
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:44,890
intentionally at the beginning of the

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01:44:52,410 --> 01:44:48,010
program I didn't mean to do it but I

2150
01:44:55,979 --> 01:44:52,420
dominated that show and it upset Larry

2151
01:44:58,740 --> 01:44:55,989
to the point that at the very end of the

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01:45:00,840 --> 01:44:58,750
program he said well I hope you've

2153
01:45:03,900 --> 01:45:00,850
enjoyed this edition of Donecker live

2154
01:45:07,979 --> 01:45:03,910
and that was the last time that I was

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01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:07,989
ever on it was ever I remember that okay

2156
01:45:13,260 --> 01:45:10,800
so he was giving you a message yeah

2157
01:45:16,440 --> 01:45:13,270
unfortunately we have Don Ecker joining

2158
01:45:18,450 --> 01:45:16,450
us this is not his last appearance not

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by a longshot with Gene and Christian

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the parry cast

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the liberties of the people than a

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standing army today understand i'm

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placing a free silver dollar in a book

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that explains our monetary system call

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keep prices low by buying direct from

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producers in Oregon and then pass the

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serving emergency food supply for only

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$99 this month and $10 ships your entire

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order to the lower 48 call five four one

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six seven three 66 66 or visit 30-day

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food supply calm where the

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preparedness affordable 30-day food

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supply calm got it get it go to 30-day

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01:47:54,190 --> 01:47:49,910
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2219
01:48:02,450 --> 01:47:54,200
standard of paranormal radio and now

2220
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:02,460
here's Jane Steinberg sudah Necker the

2221
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:05,970
common I'm sad again and he says what he

2222
01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:08,130
thinks and sometimes people like Larry

2223
01:48:13,250 --> 01:48:10,490
King won't get over it

2224
01:48:15,380 --> 01:48:13,260
you know Larry King is God except for

2225
01:48:19,730 --> 01:48:15,390
the Internet right yeah Larry could

2226
01:48:23,420 --> 01:48:19,740
never get his idea the toughest question

2227
01:48:25,370 --> 01:48:23,430
he he asked me and he asked me this just

2228
01:48:28,220 --> 01:48:25,380
about every time I was on his program

2229
01:48:31,730 --> 01:48:28,230
and to me I thought it was one of the

2230
01:48:35,300 --> 01:48:31,740
most dumb ask questions and he continued

2231
01:48:38,690 --> 01:48:35,310
to ask it regardless of how dumbass it

2232
01:48:40,370 --> 01:48:38,700
was but he would say well done when are

2233
01:48:45,650 --> 01:48:40,380
they gonna land on the White House lawn

2234
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:45,660
and you know I what what I actually

2235
01:48:52,060 --> 01:48:48,330
wanted to tell him what would not have

2236
01:48:55,550 --> 01:48:52,070
made the network censors very happy but

2237
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:55,560
you know Larry I guess whenever they

2238
01:49:02,330 --> 01:48:59,520
want to providing they want to but you

2239
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:02,340
know no matter what you what you brought

2240
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:05,040
him or what you showed him let's face it

2241
01:49:12,410 --> 01:49:08,880
it was pure entertainment when he did a

2242
01:49:17,780 --> 01:49:12,420
UFO show he was assured that the

2243
01:49:20,350 --> 01:49:17,790
faithful would tune in and how often did

2244
01:49:24,170 --> 01:49:20,360
they ever really do any cutting edge

2245
01:49:27,770 --> 01:49:24,180
probably the most cutting edge that they

2246
01:49:30,530 --> 01:49:27,780
ever did was that show about sts-48 and

2247
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:30,540
I honestly believed after that program

2248
01:49:38,690 --> 01:49:34,770
was over that UFO magazine would be snow

2249
01:49:40,670 --> 01:49:38,700
balled by news organizations around the

2250
01:49:43,310 --> 01:49:40,680
country and other places that would want

2251
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:43,320
to know more about that and the the sad

2252
01:49:51,710 --> 01:49:47,930
fact of the matter was we never got one

2253
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:51,720
serious inquiry from any news

2254
01:49:56,420 --> 01:49:53,970
organization about that about that

2255
01:49:58,900 --> 01:49:56,430
incident wow that's hard to believe

2256
01:50:03,700 --> 01:49:58,910
yeah really yeah that's

2257
01:50:06,900 --> 01:50:03,710
Wow now we did have a contact back in

2258
01:50:11,950 --> 01:50:06,910
Washington who was a national defense

2259
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:11,960
reporter a very well-known very serious

2260
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:15,650
guy who had a closeted interest in the

2261
01:50:22,330 --> 01:50:19,130
UFO topic and he had written for the

2262
01:50:25,690 --> 01:50:22,340
magazine under a pseudonym several

2263
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:25,700
articles over those years and about a

2264
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:28,610
week after my appearance on the Larry

2265
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:30,800
King show he called me up when I

2266
01:50:34,930 --> 01:50:32,960
answered the phone and I saw who wasn't

2267
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:34,940
oh yeah how you doing he said well he

2268
01:50:40,930 --> 01:50:38,090
said I just was kind of curious after

2269
01:50:43,180 --> 01:50:40,940
you were on King's show what kind of

2270
01:50:45,340 --> 01:50:43,190
feedback have you gotten and I said well

2271
01:50:47,610 --> 01:50:45,350
from you know the people that saw the

2272
01:50:51,310 --> 01:50:47,620
show that like subscribe to the magazine

2273
01:50:53,770 --> 01:50:51,320
it's been all positive he said well for

2274
01:50:57,130 --> 01:50:53,780
what it's worth Don he said I want you

2275
01:50:59,350 --> 01:50:57,140
to know that you thoroughly pissed off a

2276
01:51:03,820 --> 01:50:59,360
bunch of people back at the Pentagon and

2277
01:51:05,770 --> 01:51:03,830
I said why he said why do you think they

2278
01:51:09,070 --> 01:51:05,780
didn't want that getting out I said are

2279
01:51:11,230 --> 01:51:09,080
you serious he said oh yeah and he said

2280
01:51:15,310 --> 01:51:11,240
keep your eyes open because that NASA

2281
01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:15,320
channel that was that had been down that

2282
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:19,040
live sequence is being encrypted and he

2283
01:51:25,870 --> 01:51:20,960
was he was absolutely dead on the money

2284
01:51:29,980 --> 01:51:25,880
that never never again after that June

2285
01:51:34,870 --> 01:51:29,990
92 program on Larry King Live have you

2286
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:34,880
seen anything unfettered or live from

2287
01:51:43,390 --> 01:51:37,970
outer space it's all now either in time

2288
01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:43,400
delay or it's vetted beforehand so in a

2289
01:51:48,430 --> 01:51:45,920
way I'm responsible for censorship I

2290
01:51:50,860 --> 01:51:48,440
guess from a live feed from outer space

2291
01:51:54,450 --> 01:51:50,870
well well go back through history our

2292
01:51:57,550 --> 01:51:54,460
late friend Jim Mosley was possibly

2293
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:57,560
along with major Donald Kehoe jointly

2294
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:00,800
responsible for limiting access to UFO

2295
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:03,530
information in the 1950s and the story

2296
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:06,650
has it that Jim was doing this tour of

2297
01:52:09,820 --> 01:52:08,090
the country to get information about a

2298
01:52:11,629 --> 01:52:09,830
UFO book that never got published I

2299
01:52:13,969 --> 01:52:11,639
guess later on was mostly

2300
01:52:16,729 --> 01:52:13,979
covered in shockingly close to the truth

2301
01:52:18,290 --> 01:52:16,739
Annie went to see Project Blue Book and

2302
01:52:21,770 --> 01:52:18,300
they allowed him to sit him there and

2303
01:52:24,169 --> 01:52:21,780
write down Case Files case histories

2304
01:52:25,939 --> 01:52:24,179
from the actual documents investigated

2305
01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:25,949
documents they gave him yeah obviously

2306
01:52:29,419 --> 01:52:27,360
they didn't have classified information

2307
01:52:32,089 --> 01:52:29,429
but they had reports that he could write

2308
01:52:35,029 --> 01:52:32,099
the information down but appeared that

2309
01:52:37,159 --> 01:52:35,039
Donald Kehoe major Donald Kehoe UFO

2310
01:52:39,199 --> 01:52:37,169
research pioneer was getting the stuff

2311
01:52:41,989 --> 01:52:39,209
verbally by one of his contacts within

2312
01:52:45,709 --> 01:52:41,999
the Air Force her Project Blue Book and

2313
01:52:48,649 --> 01:52:45,719
when he heard that Moseley had gotten to

2314
01:52:51,169 --> 01:52:48,659
see the actual investigative documents

2315
01:52:53,089 --> 01:52:51,179
he raised his stink and that was the end

2316
01:52:58,009 --> 01:52:53,099
of that policy so it gave you another

2317
01:53:02,139 --> 01:52:58,019
reason to hate Jim Mosely I didn't hate

2318
01:53:05,839 --> 01:53:02,149
Jim I didn't hate Jim Jim quite frankly

2319
01:53:10,899 --> 01:53:05,849
irritated me to no end upon occasion but

2320
01:53:14,839 --> 01:53:10,909
he was actually a very funny guy in many

2321
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:14,849
regards and he was a policy guy he

2322
01:53:22,669 --> 01:53:20,130
didn't care who he upset which was I

2323
01:53:24,830 --> 01:53:22,679
admire that I you gotta admire that I

2324
01:53:28,729 --> 01:53:24,840
mean he was the trickster court jester

2325
01:53:32,299 --> 01:53:28,739
of the field no question yeah I I was

2326
01:53:35,449 --> 01:53:32,309
and I put this up on the para cast after

2327
01:53:40,790 --> 01:53:35,459
Jim passed on that I was sorry that I

2328
01:53:43,250 --> 01:53:40,800
never had a chance to get him on DMR you

2329
01:53:46,250 --> 01:53:43,260
know when he was so ill there because I

2330
01:53:49,609 --> 01:53:46,260
wanted to tell him Jim I've rethought my

2331
01:53:55,159 --> 01:53:49,619
position and these days if you caught on

2332
01:54:01,699 --> 01:53:55,169
fire I would I'd piss on you to put it

2333
01:54:07,549 --> 01:54:01,709
out that's still one of the all-time

2334
01:54:08,689 --> 01:54:07,559
podcast classic answers well here's one

2335
01:54:10,939 --> 01:54:08,699
now we're gonna get a little serious

2336
01:54:13,879 --> 01:54:10,949
here this is from our buddy up in

2337
01:54:16,850 --> 01:54:13,889
Calgary ufology and I think this is kind

2338
01:54:20,659 --> 01:54:16,860
of it may be aimed at gene and myself

2339
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:20,669
and uh the gcn Network as well but where

2340
01:54:24,949 --> 01:54:22,530
should the media draw the line between

2341
01:54:25,580 --> 01:54:24,959
copy and emptor the concept not jeans

2342
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:25,590
publication

2343
01:54:30,260 --> 01:54:28,050
he puts and responsible journalism for

2344
01:54:32,030 --> 01:54:30,270
example I ran across one comment about

2345
01:54:34,459 --> 01:54:32,040
you not caring where your advertising

2346
01:54:36,050 --> 01:54:34,469
revenue came from because you had

2347
01:54:38,780 --> 01:54:36,060
included a bunch of Billy Meyer

2348
01:54:41,780 --> 01:54:38,790
advertising in UFO magazine when it was

2349
01:54:43,879 --> 01:54:41,790
under your your purview should the media

2350
01:54:46,100 --> 01:54:43,889
be able to leave it up to consumers to

2351
01:54:48,350 --> 01:54:46,110
discern the legitimacy of advertising

2352
01:54:50,419 --> 01:54:48,360
for themselves or should there be a

2353
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:50,429
different standard for articles as

2354
01:54:55,129 --> 01:54:52,530
opposed to advertising and does

2355
01:54:57,700 --> 01:54:55,139
journalistic responsibility and when we

2356
01:55:02,149 --> 01:54:57,710
decide it's all just for entertainment

2357
01:55:06,649 --> 01:55:02,159
okay I would have to know when that

2358
01:55:09,950 --> 01:55:06,659
alleged advertising on Myer material ran

2359
01:55:12,939 --> 01:55:09,960
whether it was prior to Vicki and I

2360
01:55:18,879 --> 01:55:12,949
having to take in business partners or

2361
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:18,889
before because after ninety seven we had

2362
01:55:26,839 --> 01:55:24,330
absolutely no and I mean no say over

2363
01:55:30,350 --> 01:55:26,849
what advertising went into the magazine

2364
01:55:34,040 --> 01:55:30,360
now advertising you know this this is

2365
01:55:37,370 --> 01:55:34,050
something that a lot of these armchair

2366
01:55:40,189 --> 01:55:37,380
quarterbacks don't realize because they

2367
01:55:43,189 --> 01:55:40,199
never had to deal with it we had to

2368
01:55:45,890 --> 01:55:43,199
generate enough income when Vicki and I

2369
01:55:49,010 --> 01:55:45,900
were doing the publication that we had

2370
01:55:52,310 --> 01:55:49,020
to be able to pay the printers we had to

2371
01:55:56,330 --> 01:55:52,320
be able to pay the people that delivered

2372
01:56:00,050 --> 01:55:56,340
the magazine we had to pay our writers

2373
01:56:04,839 --> 01:56:00,060
and we had to live and it was bleepy it

2374
01:56:09,530 --> 01:56:04,849
was a fine fine line this was not our

2375
01:56:13,580 --> 01:56:09,540
hobby okay we didn't do this after we

2376
01:56:17,209 --> 01:56:13,590
got done with our day job this was our

2377
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:17,219
day job and I can tell you pal there

2378
01:56:24,530 --> 01:56:20,880
were some times when we weren't real

2379
01:56:30,439 --> 01:56:24,540
sure where the next full meal was coming

2380
01:56:34,580 --> 01:56:30,449
from it was sometimes that thin and we

2381
01:56:38,709 --> 01:56:34,590
did run some advertising that at the

2382
01:56:43,729 --> 01:56:38,719
time I personally had heartburn with

2383
01:56:45,919 --> 01:56:43,739
but once again you've got to have enough

2384
01:56:49,490 --> 01:56:45,929
money to get the publication out there

2385
01:56:53,209 --> 01:56:49,500
now the mire material and I've never

2386
01:56:56,959 --> 01:56:53,219
made any bones about the fact that I

2387
01:57:00,020 --> 01:56:56,969
thought the mire material was crap from

2388
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:00,030
day one and as a matter of fact several

2389
01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:04,639
years ago one of his biggest proponents

2390
01:57:10,459 --> 01:57:07,170
over here a gap in the name of Michael

2391
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:10,469
horn yes we all remember Michael horn

2392
01:57:17,530 --> 01:57:15,840
was absolutely on me like a rash to get

2393
01:57:21,950 --> 01:57:17,540
me to bring him on

2394
01:57:25,399 --> 01:57:21,960
DMR duck Mathers radio and you know what

2395
01:57:29,180 --> 01:57:25,409
I could have I I could have brought him

2396
01:57:32,990 --> 01:57:29,190
on because there's a part of me that

2397
01:57:35,359 --> 01:57:33,000
would have probably enjoyed chewing on

2398
01:57:41,270 --> 01:57:35,369
him about what a load of crap

2399
01:57:44,510 --> 01:57:41,280
this stuff was but on the other hand is

2400
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:44,520
there a secret UFO agenda estranged

2401
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:47,010
creatures from his corners of the mind

2402
01:57:52,729 --> 01:57:49,650
roam the earth is there evidence for

2403
01:57:55,549 --> 01:57:52,739
mind-control time travel or devious

2404
01:57:57,850 --> 01:57:55,559
government conspiracies find out the

2405
01:58:00,379 --> 01:57:57,860
inside scoop on the latest conspiracies

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01:58:02,660 --> 01:58:00,389
paranormal activity and important

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01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:02,670
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with Jean and Chris Don Ecker joining us

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been busy as a bee answering your

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questions and these are questions of

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course that are not vetted Chris just

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reads him and Don has to answer them in

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fact as we're doing this show a couple

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of more questions have been posted okay

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Chris

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well how about articles dawn I know you

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and Vicki from reading the magazine for

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a number of years prior to getting

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involved in the field and then

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subsequently the first five or six years

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I was in the field I personally cannot

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remember an article that I felt maybe

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shouldn't have been in the magazine I I

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felt you guys really had a high standard

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for article submissions the quality of

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the writers was was top-notch for the

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most part I think it did go downhill

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quite a bit in the recent years with

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with columns that perhaps were just

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taking up space they really didn't have

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any will I think major relevance where

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do you think the line should be drawn

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02:03:10,770 --> 02:03:07,870
for publications for radio shows for

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that matter in terms of what guests come

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02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:12,489
on you mentioned Michael horn as an

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02:03:17,010 --> 02:03:15,130
example is it okay do you think to give

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02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:17,020
these people enough rope to hang

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themselves or is the exposure in and of

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02:03:28,650 --> 02:03:25,660
itself not appropriate well that that's

2520
02:03:31,950 --> 02:03:28,660
a great question it's something that

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02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:31,960
well I've been broadcasting I started

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02:03:42,090 --> 02:03:38,610
doing radio back in 1991 now I always

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02:03:45,570 --> 02:03:42,100
vetted the people that I brought on the

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02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:45,580
show for the most part I did not bring

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02:03:53,660 --> 02:03:50,170
people on the show that at the time I

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02:03:57,709 --> 02:03:53,670
considered to be fraudulent or or

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02:04:01,310 --> 02:03:57,719
questionable I always tried to maintain

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02:04:03,350 --> 02:04:01,320
high level with the people that I did

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02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:03,360
bring on that's not to say that I was

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02:04:12,530 --> 02:04:06,810
always successful now couple of years

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02:04:17,830 --> 02:04:12,540
ago I had Alan Sturm a guy that was

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02:04:20,959 --> 02:04:17,840
really involved in lunar studies had

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02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:20,969
discovered a treasure trove of NASA

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02:04:28,010 --> 02:04:24,090
photographs I think now was at the

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02:04:33,700 --> 02:04:28,020
University of Arizona and he put

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02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:33,710
together a PDF type book that was

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02:04:40,670 --> 02:04:37,250
astounding it really showed some

2538
02:04:43,420 --> 02:04:40,680
breathtaking photographs with what

2539
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:43,430
appeared to be some breathtaking

2540
02:04:50,420 --> 02:04:46,890
artifacts in it now I brought him on the

2541
02:04:53,660 --> 02:04:50,430
show and we had a darn good show I

2542
02:04:56,750 --> 02:04:53,670
opened up the phone lines to start

2543
02:04:59,600 --> 02:04:56,760
taking calls and lo and behold one of

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02:05:05,510 --> 02:04:59,610
the the first colors we got was John

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02:05:08,330 --> 02:05:05,520
where now John Lear today is looked at

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02:05:11,150 --> 02:05:08,340
by a lot of people that are in the know

2547
02:05:15,050 --> 02:05:11,160
is kind of being somewhat like that

2548
02:05:18,530 --> 02:05:15,060
crazy uncle that everybody has or seems

2549
02:05:22,070 --> 02:05:18,540
to have and true to form when John came

2550
02:05:25,400 --> 02:05:22,080
on there he started rolling off some of

2551
02:05:29,120 --> 02:05:25,410
the most god-awful crazy conspiracy

2552
02:05:33,110 --> 02:05:29,130
theory type stuff that anybody has heard

2553
02:05:35,720 --> 02:05:33,120
in a long time and I let him let him

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02:05:38,959 --> 02:05:35,730
play out for a couple of minutes and

2555
02:05:42,860 --> 02:05:38,969
then I snapped the line on him however I

2556
02:05:46,610 --> 02:05:42,870
have known John Lear going all the way

2557
02:05:50,470 --> 02:05:46,620
back to my initial foray into the field

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02:05:54,500 --> 02:05:50,480
as a matter of fact John Lear was

2559
02:05:59,570 --> 02:05:54,510
actually one of the people that I first

2560
02:06:03,650 --> 02:05:59,580
had contact with when I began an active

2561
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:03,660
participation in UFO research now John

2562
02:06:10,770 --> 02:06:09,360
has a rich history going back into the

2563
02:06:14,030 --> 02:06:10,780
beginning of the what

2564
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:14,040
what I referred to as the modern age of

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02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:19,450
UFO research starting about 1986 and so

2566
02:06:27,450 --> 02:06:23,050
later on I called John up and I invited

2567
02:06:31,110 --> 02:06:27,460
John on to the show and I made sure as

2568
02:06:33,690 --> 02:06:31,120
the hosts that we maintained strictly

2569
02:06:37,290 --> 02:06:33,700
those early years that we talked about

2570
02:06:40,290 --> 02:06:37,300
because he had some very colorful things

2571
02:06:43,500 --> 02:06:40,300
happen during that period of time so

2572
02:06:46,710 --> 02:06:43,510
that that's how how I dealt with that

2573
02:06:50,820 --> 02:06:46,720
but there are there are people that even

2574
02:06:53,490 --> 02:06:50,830
today I would would would not even

2575
02:06:56,400 --> 02:06:53,500
broach the idea of bringing on the show

2576
02:07:01,020 --> 02:06:56,410
because I couldn't maintain my

2577
02:07:02,970 --> 02:07:01,030
professionalism or my composure with and

2578
02:07:05,730 --> 02:07:02,980
and I'm doing that for everybody's

2579
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:05,740
benefit not the least which is mine well

2580
02:07:10,200 --> 02:07:08,410
you brought up the moon and gods McKay

2581
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:10,210
has several questions and there are

2582
02:07:15,300 --> 02:07:12,810
other questions about lunar anomalies

2583
02:07:18,600 --> 02:07:15,310
dhanji know of any pictures taken

2584
02:07:20,820 --> 02:07:18,610
relatively recently say by Japan of the

2585
02:07:24,750 --> 02:07:20,830
lunar surface that show any decent

2586
02:07:27,420 --> 02:07:24,760
anomalies and and I add the follow-up do

2587
02:07:30,540 --> 02:07:27,430
you think now with India and in China

2588
02:07:32,580 --> 02:07:30,550
and possibly other countries now talking

2589
02:07:35,250 --> 02:07:32,590
about going to the moon that we're going

2590
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:35,260
to see more openness in regards to the

2591
02:07:40,020 --> 02:07:38,130
whole question of lunar anomalies no

2592
02:07:44,580 --> 02:07:40,030
absolutely not

2593
02:07:46,710 --> 02:07:44,590
number one I have seen very little come

2594
02:07:50,220 --> 02:07:46,720
out from from any of those countries

2595
02:07:54,860 --> 02:07:50,230
about their forays into outer space and

2596
02:07:59,910 --> 02:07:54,870
I have to believe that if they encounter

2597
02:08:02,790 --> 02:07:59,920
what I suspect nASA has encountered and

2598
02:08:05,930 --> 02:08:02,800
the Russians have encountered especially

2599
02:08:10,050 --> 02:08:05,940
in the early days of space exploration

2600
02:08:13,950 --> 02:08:10,060
that on some level and this is

2601
02:08:17,690 --> 02:08:13,960
speculation but I suspect that on some

2602
02:08:21,870 --> 02:08:17,700
level there's a gentlemen's agreement to

2603
02:08:24,679 --> 02:08:21,880
keep this information under wraps if

2604
02:08:28,969 --> 02:08:24,689
they encounter it I can't

2605
02:08:32,339 --> 02:08:28,979
imagine that the Japanese or the Indians

2606
02:08:35,129 --> 02:08:32,349
because we're pretty close allies with

2607
02:08:38,759 --> 02:08:35,139
both of those countries would want to

2608
02:08:42,750 --> 02:08:38,769
step on any American toes and the

2609
02:08:46,199 --> 02:08:42,760
Chinese would probably want to keep it

2610
02:08:50,309 --> 02:08:46,209
to themselves simply because they'd like

2611
02:08:53,399 --> 02:08:50,319
to discover what technology perhaps

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02:08:56,969 --> 02:08:53,409
could be gleaned from it so no I don't I

2613
02:08:59,939 --> 02:08:56,979
don't see any any vast openness

2614
02:09:01,709 --> 02:08:59,949
happening any time soon let me do a

2615
02:09:04,229 --> 02:09:01,719
follow-up question before Kris gets back

2616
02:09:06,179 --> 02:09:04,239
what about the possibility of a gradual

2617
02:09:07,829 --> 02:09:06,189
disclosure as we discover that more and

2618
02:09:09,989 --> 02:09:07,839
more planets might have earth-like

2619
02:09:12,119 --> 02:09:09,999
conditions around the universe we see

2620
02:09:14,009 --> 02:09:12,129
water on Mars it's confirmed that all

2621
02:09:16,729 --> 02:09:14,019
this other stuff is this a way of just

2622
02:09:19,500 --> 02:09:16,739
getting us accustomed to the idea of

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02:09:22,109 --> 02:09:19,510
interplanetary life being present and

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02:09:25,049 --> 02:09:22,119
possibly here or is it just the advance

2625
02:09:27,540 --> 02:09:25,059
of science or both well I think I think

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02:09:30,329 --> 02:09:27,550
it's not only the advance of science as

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02:09:33,599 --> 02:09:30,339
our technology becomes more refined but

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02:09:37,339 --> 02:09:33,609
yeah I think on one level gene I think

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02:09:43,500 --> 02:09:37,349
you hit it on the head I think there is

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02:09:45,659 --> 02:09:43,510
a very very gradual idea of opening up

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the mainstream public to the idea that

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life is out there I don't think that

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anybody that's been paying attention for

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the last 15 20 years doubts that there

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set of fluoride and arsenic filters for

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only $39.99 that's over 30 percent off

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the retail price

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neighborhood for years we have an alarm

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system and all of our doors have dead

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bolts they kicked in our door and were

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in and out of our house in about five

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minutes the police arrived in about 20

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minutes but they were long gone with our

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TV jewelry and my guns

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I kept thinking what if my family had

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been home the police officer said that

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more than 85% of break-ins are through a

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door and that deadbolts alone don't stop

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intruders

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the officer told me to go to EZ armored

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net if we wanted something that would

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actually stop an intruder ez armor

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reinforces all of the weak points on

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your doors and is guaranteed to prevent

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02:13:22,960 --> 02:13:19,760
kick ins I was surprised at how little

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02:13:26,020 --> 02:13:22,970
ez armor costs and I installed ez armor

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02:13:29,740 --> 02:13:26,030
in about 30 minutes visit ser Burnett

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that's the letters EC AR mor net or call

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eight eight eight five eight armor

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that's eight eight eight five eight two

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seven six six seven ez armor net

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ceramic body armor is rated to stop six

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hits but what about the seventh unlike

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02:13:50,490 --> 02:13:47,980
ceramic or Kevlar infidel body armor is

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proven to take hit after hit and it just

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won't quit

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reasonably priced and designed for the

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smart civilian prepper infidel stops

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hundreds of hits from small-arms to

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02:14:01,410 --> 02:13:58,900
high-powered rifles that means safety

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02:14:05,490 --> 02:14:01,420
and peace of mind buy yours at infidel

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body armour comm spelled INF I de L body

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02:14:10,500 --> 02:14:08,680
armor comm infidel body armor just won't

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02:14:12,510 --> 02:14:10,510
quit we the people grow cotton wheat

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02:14:14,160 --> 02:14:12,520
fabric engraving can bed strips and

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02:14:15,930 --> 02:14:14,170
fibers to protect from counterfeit and

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02:14:16,890 --> 02:14:15,940
carding to a private bank having a led

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02:14:18,600 --> 02:14:16,900
back at interest

2737
02:14:20,280 --> 02:14:18,610
forcing taxes to surface debt this

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02:14:21,930 --> 02:14:20,290
capitalism what was Jefferson correct

2739
02:14:23,550 --> 02:14:21,940
when stating a central bank issuing the

2740
02:14:24,690 --> 02:14:23,560
public currency is a greater menace to

2741
02:14:26,430 --> 02:14:24,700
the liberties of the people than a

2742
02:14:27,870 --> 02:14:26,440
standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm

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02:14:29,700 --> 02:14:27,880
placing a free silver dollar in a book

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02:14:33,210 --> 02:14:29,710
that explains our monetary system call

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02:14:36,420 --> 02:14:33,220
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

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02:14:42,090 --> 02:14:36,430
to understand the system call 866 to 237

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02:14:58,580 --> 02:14:50,720
[Music]

2748
02:15:00,470 --> 02:14:58,590
Don Ecker joining Gian Chris and the

2749
02:15:02,090 --> 02:15:00,480
power cast answering your questions from

2750
02:15:04,250 --> 02:15:02,100
the question Bank it formed off the

2751
02:15:05,840 --> 02:15:04,260
power cast come and what he was

2752
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:05,850
remarking about before we had to take

2753
02:15:10,280 --> 02:15:08,610
our break is the fact that if there's

2754
02:15:13,340 --> 02:15:10,290
any life on Mars today it'd be a

2755
02:15:16,970 --> 02:15:13,350
microbial kind of life but what about

2756
02:15:20,060 --> 02:15:16,980
inside beneath the surface of the planet

2757
02:15:22,700 --> 02:15:20,070
and the caverns or are we the Martians

2758
02:15:25,610 --> 02:15:22,710
well we could very well be the Martians

2759
02:15:29,720 --> 02:15:25,620
but there there are other places within

2760
02:15:32,960 --> 02:15:29,730
our own solar system that could possibly

2761
02:15:35,990 --> 02:15:32,970
Harbor life but the big question the one

2762
02:15:40,180 --> 02:15:36,000
that everybody wants to know is about

2763
02:15:44,450 --> 02:15:40,190
sentient life technologically adept

2764
02:15:47,900 --> 02:15:44,460
sentient life in other words et out

2765
02:15:50,810 --> 02:15:47,910
there with things like radio equipment

2766
02:15:55,550 --> 02:15:50,820
now we've been listening to the skies

2767
02:15:57,620 --> 02:15:55,560
for over 60 years now yeah something

2768
02:16:00,680 --> 02:15:57,630
that a lot of people may not be aware of

2769
02:16:05,930 --> 02:16:00,690
there have been a couple of times when

2770
02:16:08,890 --> 02:16:05,940
very anomalous strange signals have been

2771
02:16:11,870 --> 02:16:08,900
discovered but they have never been

2772
02:16:14,600 --> 02:16:11,880
repeated and that's one of the things

2773
02:16:17,540 --> 02:16:14,610
that the SETI scientist will tell you

2774
02:16:21,200 --> 02:16:17,550
before they make any grand announcement

2775
02:16:23,780 --> 02:16:21,210
the signal has got to be repeated or

2776
02:16:28,420 --> 02:16:23,790
verified by other observatories around

2777
02:16:31,730 --> 02:16:28,430
the world that hasn't happened yet but

2778
02:16:36,590 --> 02:16:31,740
I've always an as a matter of fact with

2779
02:16:41,120 --> 02:16:36,600
dr. seth shostack from the SETI the city

2780
02:16:45,370 --> 02:16:41,130
group I have debated szostak on TV

2781
02:16:48,170 --> 02:16:45,380
number of years ago up in the Bay Area

2782
02:16:51,500 --> 02:16:48,180
we were on a television program together

2783
02:16:55,490 --> 02:16:51,510
and of course szostak was being very

2784
02:17:01,430 --> 02:16:55,500
polite with me knew who we were he knew

2785
02:17:03,950 --> 02:17:01,440
that of UFO magazine and he never you

2786
02:17:06,590 --> 02:17:03,960
know missed an opportunity to gently

2787
02:17:11,600 --> 02:17:06,600
chide us about you know you

2788
02:17:15,650 --> 02:17:11,610
fo xand ETS etc but I kind of turned the

2789
02:17:17,030 --> 02:17:15,660
tables on on szostak because I basically

2790
02:17:18,740 --> 02:17:17,040
and I'm not going to go into the whole

2791
02:17:21,560 --> 02:17:18,750
thing here but I asked him I said what

2792
02:17:25,420 --> 02:17:21,570
makes you think that you're going to

2793
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:25,430
hear anybody's radio signal on radio

2794
02:17:32,390 --> 02:17:29,850
okay coming out of the stars when if you

2795
02:17:36,140 --> 02:17:32,400
just look at our own history here on

2796
02:17:38,870 --> 02:17:36,150
planet earth back in the 50s the planet

2797
02:17:41,780 --> 02:17:38,880
Earth would have looked like a star in

2798
02:17:45,590 --> 02:17:41,790
the radio spectrum we were throwing

2799
02:17:48,560 --> 02:17:45,600
signals off willy-nilly into the sky

2800
02:17:52,870 --> 02:17:48,570
without a thought of what that might be

2801
02:17:56,380 --> 02:17:52,880
but today we've grown increasingly

2802
02:17:59,541 --> 02:17:56,390
darker and darker simply because our

2803
02:18:03,291 --> 02:17:59,551
technology has changed

2804
02:18:06,710 --> 02:18:03,301
we no longer broadcast these huge

2805
02:18:09,010 --> 02:18:06,720
signals out into space like we once did

2806
02:18:12,680 --> 02:18:09,020
with the exception of things like radar

2807
02:18:15,770 --> 02:18:12,690
because our technologies have changed

2808
02:18:18,920 --> 02:18:15,780
we've we've gone the route of becoming

2809
02:18:23,900 --> 02:18:18,930
much darker which perhaps might be a

2810
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:23,910
good thing we may not want to announce

2811
02:18:29,780 --> 02:18:27,090
our presence to the universe until we

2812
02:18:32,750 --> 02:18:29,790
truly know what may be out there even

2813
02:18:36,260 --> 02:18:32,760
people like dr. Stephen Hawking has

2814
02:18:41,570 --> 02:18:36,270
cautioned people here on the planet that

2815
02:18:44,810 --> 02:18:41,580
we actually don't know if or what may be

2816
02:18:47,060 --> 02:18:44,820
lurking out there and we don't want to

2817
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:47,070
announce ourselves prematurely

2818
02:18:53,720 --> 02:18:50,160
so I've always kind of suspected for a

2819
02:18:56,000 --> 02:18:53,730
long time that SETI in fact may simply

2820
02:19:01,041 --> 02:18:56,010
be spinning their wills hey there's a

2821
02:19:03,910 --> 02:19:01,051
reason why it might be very quiet out

2822
02:19:06,590 --> 02:19:03,920
there other extraterrestrial

2823
02:19:09,230 --> 02:19:06,600
civilizations and this is speculation

2824
02:19:12,620 --> 02:19:09,240
I'll say that up front but they may be

2825
02:19:16,610 --> 02:19:12,630
aware of something that is out there and

2826
02:19:18,500 --> 02:19:16,620
they're keeping quiet because of what

2827
02:19:19,879 --> 02:19:18,510
might be out there and that's something

2828
02:19:23,689 --> 02:19:19,889
we should consider

2829
02:19:25,339 --> 02:19:23,699
it's something we can focus on what do

2830
02:19:27,709 --> 02:19:25,349
the authorities know when did they know

2831
02:19:30,740 --> 02:19:27,719
it why they trying to keep a secret from

2832
02:19:32,780 --> 02:19:30,750
us Chris some more questions well this

2833
02:19:36,469 --> 02:19:32,790
is the last one from God's concerning

2834
02:19:38,030 --> 02:19:36,479
your lunar anomaly work and and it's a

2835
02:19:40,280 --> 02:19:38,040
good question and I'm interested in this

2836
02:19:42,769 --> 02:19:40,290
to you you really are up to speed on

2837
02:19:45,519 --> 02:19:42,779
some of the more puzzling photographs

2838
02:19:48,410 --> 02:19:45,529
that have have been allowed to

2839
02:19:50,540 --> 02:19:48,420
disseminate out there what which of

2840
02:19:54,050 --> 02:19:50,550
these lunar anomalies is your favor oh

2841
02:19:58,610 --> 02:19:54,060
definitely the one that seems to show a

2842
02:20:02,780 --> 02:19:58,620
pipe which I did a about a year or so

2843
02:20:05,899 --> 02:20:02,790
ago I did a presentation on which was on

2844
02:20:10,070 --> 02:20:05,909
line I have never seen another

2845
02:20:12,200 --> 02:20:10,080
photograph that was quite as compelling

2846
02:20:15,649 --> 02:20:12,210
and I'm talking about my own personal

2847
02:20:19,580 --> 02:20:15,659
opinion that was as quite compelling as

2848
02:20:23,179 --> 02:20:19,590
what that was the only other photograph

2849
02:20:26,179 --> 02:20:23,189
that I saw and once again this is not

2850
02:20:31,550 --> 02:20:26,189
the moon this was in the vicinity of

2851
02:20:34,880 --> 02:20:31,560
Mars that I found initially extremely

2852
02:20:39,740 --> 02:20:34,890
compelling and a lot of people have

2853
02:20:43,250 --> 02:20:39,750
dissed that photograph but I was aware

2854
02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:43,260
and and had talked about some of the

2855
02:20:48,500 --> 02:20:45,120
things surrounding this particular

2856
02:20:51,580 --> 02:20:48,510
picture that a lot of people might not

2857
02:20:55,010 --> 02:20:51,590
have been aware of was the Phobos 2

2858
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:55,020
photograph that showed what appeared to

2859
02:21:03,290 --> 02:20:58,880
be a huge anomaly off the Martian

2860
02:21:06,769 --> 02:21:03,300
moonlit Phobos so those two photographs

2861
02:21:09,910 --> 02:21:06,779
if somebody were to come to me and ask

2862
02:21:13,580 --> 02:21:09,920
me what pictures I found most compelling

2863
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:13,590
in regards to this topic it would have

2864
02:21:18,189 --> 02:21:15,210
to be those two well you brought up

2865
02:21:21,019 --> 02:21:18,199
Phobos and that's a very interesting

2866
02:21:22,899 --> 02:21:21,029
mystery in and of itself what are your

2867
02:21:25,880 --> 02:21:22,909
feelings about the potential

2868
02:21:29,450 --> 02:21:25,890
artificiality of Phobos and and how that

2869
02:21:31,729 --> 02:21:29,460
the moons of Mars are highly unusual and

2870
02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:31,739
seem out of place number one they're in

2871
02:21:36,439 --> 02:21:32,890
a retrograde orbit

2872
02:21:41,070 --> 02:21:36,449
they were never discovered until about

2873
02:21:43,380 --> 02:21:41,080
1875 or 76 even though there was

2874
02:21:47,370 --> 02:21:43,390
technology that would have enabled

2875
02:21:50,639 --> 02:21:47,380
astronomers to discover them beforehand

2876
02:21:52,290 --> 02:21:50,649
even back in the 18th century telescopes

2877
02:21:55,469 --> 02:21:52,300
were fine enough that they could have

2878
02:21:57,389 --> 02:21:55,479
detected those to moonlets but they

2879
02:22:02,399 --> 02:21:57,399
weren't they weren't discovered until

2880
02:22:05,639 --> 02:22:02,409
much later in the 1950s Soviet Russian

2881
02:22:08,490 --> 02:22:05,649
astronomers even theorized there were a

2882
02:22:12,540 --> 02:22:08,500
couple of them and I today I can't

2883
02:22:15,719 --> 02:22:12,550
recall the guy's name that these in fact

2884
02:22:20,399 --> 02:22:15,729
might have been artificial they're in a

2885
02:22:24,240 --> 02:22:20,409
retrograde orbit which is unusual once

2886
02:22:27,210 --> 02:22:24,250
we got there finally with the Phobos

2887
02:22:30,840 --> 02:22:27,220
probes and and even before that when we

2888
02:22:35,849 --> 02:22:30,850
were sending probes up to Mars the

2889
02:22:39,990 --> 02:22:35,859
concept of perhaps using one of these

2890
02:22:43,889 --> 02:22:40,000
moons as a launch pad to get to Mars was

2891
02:22:46,979 --> 02:22:43,899
being proposed among Soviet Russian

2892
02:22:50,070 --> 02:22:46,989
their space people at glad cosmos and

2893
02:22:52,920 --> 02:22:50,080
NASA there were discussions going on

2894
02:22:57,540 --> 02:22:52,930
behind the scenes and I'm talking now

2895
02:23:00,479 --> 02:22:57,550
about back in the 1980s that suggested

2896
02:23:02,130 --> 02:23:00,489
that perhaps and of course it's not

2897
02:23:02,939 --> 02:23:02,140
going to happen now because we're almost

2898
02:23:07,950 --> 02:23:02,949
there

2899
02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:07,960
but perhaps by 2014-2015 the Soviet

2900
02:23:16,019 --> 02:23:11,770
Union and American NASA astronauts would

2901
02:23:20,460 --> 02:23:16,029
make a joint mission to Mars go to Mars

2902
02:23:24,780 --> 02:23:20,470
a manned mission and perhaps women use

2903
02:23:28,590 --> 02:23:24,790
Phobos as the place to touchdown and

2904
02:23:30,360 --> 02:23:28,600
then go from Phobos down to the surface

2905
02:23:34,380 --> 02:23:30,370
of the planet this is what they were

2906
02:23:38,160 --> 02:23:34,390
originally talking about and Phobos one

2907
02:23:42,300 --> 02:23:38,170
and two which were Soviet Union the

2908
02:23:44,639 --> 02:23:42,310
Soviet Union's probes with incidentally

2909
02:23:46,790 --> 02:23:44,649
a heck of a lot of help from NASA

2910
02:23:49,550 --> 02:23:46,800
including equipment

2911
02:23:52,969 --> 02:23:49,560
and where the telemetry was being fed

2912
02:23:55,849 --> 02:23:52,979
back to incidentally that telemetry came

2913
02:23:59,410 --> 02:23:55,859
here to the states first and then

2914
02:24:03,889 --> 02:23:59,420
shipped on to Russia this was a very

2915
02:24:07,910 --> 02:24:03,899
strange mission now quite honestly I

2916
02:24:11,410 --> 02:24:07,920
knew nothing about this initially until

2917
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:11,420
I read a book by a friend of mine

2918
02:24:16,670 --> 02:24:14,010
zecharia sitchin the name of the book

2919
02:24:19,519 --> 02:24:16,680
was called Genesis revisited we'll

2920
02:24:21,679 --> 02:24:19,529
revisit Genesis in our final segment of

2921
02:24:29,269 --> 02:24:21,689
our session with Don Ecker with gene and

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Chris you're in the para cast are you

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[Music]

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

3014
02:29:04,201 --> 02:29:01,531
we're covering zecharia sitchin the late

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02:29:07,081 --> 02:29:04,211
writer and theorist friend of Don Ecker

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02:29:09,150 --> 02:29:07,091
we continue answering your questions

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with Gene and Chris

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02:29:13,951 --> 02:29:11,440
Don yeah Sitchin had written a book

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02:29:18,091 --> 02:29:13,961
called Genesis revisited where he talked

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02:29:21,900 --> 02:29:18,101
in that book about the possibility he

3021
02:29:25,980 --> 02:29:21,910
believed of being the reactivation of an

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02:29:29,341 --> 02:29:25,990
ancient space base there now at this

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02:29:32,581 --> 02:29:29,351
time Sitchin had been aware of some of

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02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:32,591
the data that had flowed back from from

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02:29:38,730 --> 02:29:35,530
the mission that got there Phobos to the

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02:29:41,581 --> 02:29:38,740
first probe had disappeared about a

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02:29:43,531 --> 02:29:41,591
month or so after launch and the

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Russians blamed that disappearance of

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Phobos one on a combination of human and

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computer error but Phobos 2 got there

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02:29:56,071 --> 02:29:53,681
and when it did the first thing it

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02:29:58,861 --> 02:29:56,081
started to do was scan the planet

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photograph the planet and scan the

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02:30:04,501 --> 02:30:01,331
Phobos moon light because they wanted to

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find out if in fact we went to Mars and

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02:30:10,201 --> 02:30:07,121
we used Phobos what in the world was

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Phobos made out of now on the planet

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02:30:15,001 --> 02:30:11,200
itself

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02:30:20,491 --> 02:30:15,011
the Russians glop cosmos discovered a

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02:30:24,600 --> 02:30:20,501
number of areas that were highly hot all

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02:30:27,301 --> 02:30:24,610
right some hot areas that could not be

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02:30:30,241 --> 02:30:27,311
explained in other words something down

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02:30:34,020 --> 02:30:30,251
there seemed to be generating heat now

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02:30:37,020 --> 02:30:34,030
it's almost a given that most space

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scientists regard Mars is geologically

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02:30:44,430 --> 02:30:41,530
inactive so what might be causing those

3047
02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:44,440
hot spots that the probe picked up the

3048
02:30:50,310 --> 02:30:46,570
other thing was it had taken a

3049
02:30:53,791 --> 02:30:50,320
photograph of Mars from orbit which had

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02:30:57,301 --> 02:30:53,801
a huge and I'm talking about a big one I

3051
02:30:59,850 --> 02:30:57,311
saw the picture of an ellipsoid shadow

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02:31:01,741 --> 02:30:59,860
being reflected off of the atmosphere

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02:31:06,240 --> 02:31:01,751
now this is something a lot of people

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02:31:09,180 --> 02:31:06,250
may not realize but Mars in fact

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02:31:11,880 --> 02:31:09,190
does have an atmosphere not one that we

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02:31:15,050 --> 02:31:11,890
could breathe but there is one down

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02:31:16,920 --> 02:31:15,060
there and it was reflecting this

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02:31:20,310 --> 02:31:16,930
ellipsoid shadow

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02:31:22,500 --> 02:31:20,320
so when Phobos began turning around and

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taking photographs of the moon and

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02:31:29,630 --> 02:31:24,910
what-have-you this is when it

3062
02:31:32,760 --> 02:31:29,640
photographed that huge ellipsoid shape

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02:31:35,330 --> 02:31:32,770
okay that a lot of people will argue and

3064
02:31:37,130 --> 02:31:35,340
say it was a computer glitch I

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02:31:39,630 --> 02:31:37,140
personally think that it actually

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02:31:43,140 --> 02:31:39,640
photographed something real and the

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02:31:45,960 --> 02:31:43,150
reason was according to the Russians at

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02:31:49,920 --> 02:31:45,970
the time and I'm talking about AG laughs

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02:31:52,130 --> 02:31:49,930
Cosmo spokesman this thing that they

3070
02:31:55,830 --> 02:31:52,140
said that should not have been there

3071
02:31:58,650 --> 02:31:55,840
turned toward the Phobos probe and

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02:32:01,590 --> 02:31:58,660
struck it in other words at the time

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02:32:05,280 --> 02:32:01,600
they said their probe was rammed it

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02:32:09,300 --> 02:32:05,290
turned it into a spinner their words not

3075
02:32:11,070 --> 02:32:09,310
mine and they lost it so and a number of

3076
02:32:13,530 --> 02:32:11,080
other things too but but I've always

3077
02:32:16,710 --> 02:32:13,540
suspected there was a heck of a lot more

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02:32:19,590 --> 02:32:16,720
to the story than that now one more

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02:32:24,300 --> 02:32:19,600
thing when we're talking about this back

3080
02:32:26,970 --> 02:32:24,310
around god it was 89 or 90 I ended up

3081
02:32:31,350 --> 02:32:26,980
writing an article about this for Omni

3082
02:32:33,810 --> 02:32:31,360
magazine George Bush senior who was then

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02:32:37,590 --> 02:32:33,820
the president of the United States and

3084
02:32:42,150 --> 02:32:37,600
Mikhail Gorbachev had a very famous

3085
02:32:45,770 --> 02:32:42,160
meeting that took place in Malta Bush

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02:32:49,100 --> 02:32:45,780
ended up taking a heck of a lot of heat

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02:32:52,770 --> 02:32:49,110
because there was a tremendous storm

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02:32:55,110 --> 02:32:52,780
going on over there and some of you may

3089
02:32:58,890 --> 02:32:55,120
remember the news stories that came out

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02:33:02,040 --> 02:32:58,900
that Bush went over and a small craft to

3091
02:33:04,680 --> 02:33:02,050
Gorbachev's boat that he was on in the

3092
02:33:06,810 --> 02:33:04,690
middle of this storm and a lot of people

3093
02:33:09,780 --> 02:33:06,820
were really upset because they felt that

3094
02:33:14,840 --> 02:33:09,790
that Bush put himself in danger later on

3095
02:33:19,620 --> 02:33:14,850
Colonel marina Popovich who was a famous

3096
02:33:22,051 --> 02:33:19,630
very famous Soviet Russian aviator

3097
02:33:25,381 --> 02:33:22,061
and she had been married to general

3098
02:33:28,200 --> 02:33:25,391
Pavel Popovich the first Russian

3099
02:33:30,541 --> 02:33:28,210
cosmonaut that rendezvous with another

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02:33:33,570 --> 02:33:30,551
craft in orbit the first guy that ever

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02:33:37,770 --> 02:33:33,580
did that back in 1962

3102
02:33:39,780 --> 02:33:37,780
she told me that the reason that Bush

3103
02:33:41,400 --> 02:33:39,790
did that and I have no way to verify

3104
02:33:44,070 --> 02:33:41,410
this so I'm gonna tell you that up front

3105
02:33:47,370 --> 02:33:44,080
this is second hand but they were

3106
02:33:51,631 --> 02:33:47,380
discussing what happened to the Phobos

3107
02:33:54,810 --> 02:33:51,641
craft now when I wrote that Omni article

3108
02:33:58,291 --> 02:33:54,820
I called the White House briefing I

3109
02:34:01,560 --> 02:33:58,301
spoke personally to Marlin Fitzwater who

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02:34:03,841 --> 02:34:01,570
at the time was the guy in charge of

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02:34:06,870 --> 02:34:03,851
George Bush Senior the the press corps

3112
02:34:10,140 --> 02:34:06,880
and I asked him that and of course he

3113
02:34:13,200 --> 02:34:10,150
laughed at the question but the fact

3114
02:34:15,450 --> 02:34:13,210
remains this is what Popovich told me my

3115
02:34:18,240 --> 02:34:15,460
goodness that's that's news to me that's

3116
02:34:19,801 --> 02:34:18,250
uh that's pretty amazing well what do

3117
02:34:22,200 --> 02:34:19,811
you think of some of the photographs

3118
02:34:24,990 --> 02:34:22,210
that people like Richard Hoagland have

3119
02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:25,000
have touted and and others that show

3120
02:34:31,140 --> 02:34:27,610
what appears to be artificiality with

3121
02:34:33,421 --> 02:34:31,150
the the actual moon Phobos do you think

3122
02:34:36,870 --> 02:34:33,431
that there is some possibility that that

3123
02:34:40,470 --> 02:34:36,880
is already being utilized as some sort

3124
02:34:43,051 --> 02:34:40,480
of staging area in light of you know

3125
02:34:45,421 --> 02:34:43,061
this the loss of the Phobos probe and

3126
02:34:47,310 --> 02:34:45,431
the the anomaly that was observed there

3127
02:34:49,350 --> 02:34:47,320
which may or may not be a computer

3128
02:34:51,270 --> 02:34:49,360
glitch it sure doesn't sound like one to

3129
02:34:53,251 --> 02:34:51,280
me what do you think about that that

3130
02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:53,261
possibility I've heard there he's touted

3131
02:34:57,620 --> 02:34:55,120
that the moon is actually Hollow and

3132
02:34:59,551 --> 02:34:57,630
that the the end the curiously

3133
02:35:03,270 --> 02:34:59,561
representative looks like a parabolic

3134
02:35:05,041 --> 02:35:03,280
dish for instance what do you think well

3135
02:35:06,890 --> 02:35:05,051
the fact of the matter is anything I

3136
02:35:09,990 --> 02:35:06,900
would say would be the purest

3137
02:35:13,740 --> 02:35:10,000
speculation because quite frankly I

3138
02:35:16,560 --> 02:35:13,750
doubt that I'll ever get there but if in

3139
02:35:20,461 --> 02:35:16,570
fact NASA or the Russians or anybody

3140
02:35:23,700 --> 02:35:20,471
else does in fact discover any anomalies

3141
02:35:26,400 --> 02:35:23,710
there the big question is what if

3142
02:35:29,461 --> 02:35:26,410
anything would they let out to the

3143
02:35:31,110 --> 02:35:29,471
public it's unfortunately and I'm

3144
02:35:35,070 --> 02:35:31,120
cynical about this it's

3145
02:35:38,820 --> 02:35:35,080
léa unlikely in my mind that they would

3146
02:35:42,440 --> 02:35:38,830
tell us anything you know they're

3147
02:35:45,780 --> 02:35:42,450
they're basically using the mushroom

3148
02:35:47,970 --> 02:35:45,790
syndrome on the public Chris and what

3149
02:35:50,551 --> 02:35:47,980
that means is they keep them in the dark

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02:35:54,710 --> 02:35:50,561
and they feed us copious amounts of

3151
02:35:56,761 --> 02:35:54,720
bovine manure well here's a good

3152
02:35:58,920 --> 02:35:56,771
question I think from nameless which

3153
02:36:01,230 --> 02:35:58,930
just came in here as we were actually

3154
02:36:02,820 --> 02:36:01,240
taping the episode Don how is your

3155
02:36:06,330 --> 02:36:02,830
opinion changed over the years in

3156
02:36:08,610 --> 02:36:06,340
regards to a hypothesis with the UFO

3157
02:36:10,710 --> 02:36:08,620
phenomenon like most of us did you start

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02:36:13,290 --> 02:36:10,720
off as a nuts and bolts guy and where

3159
02:36:15,301 --> 02:36:13,300
did you end up now and again in this

3160
02:36:17,700 --> 02:36:15,311
regard what advice would you give to a

3161
02:36:20,640 --> 02:36:17,710
new investigator who may be entering the

3162
02:36:23,190 --> 02:36:20,650
field right now well yeah I did start

3163
02:36:25,290 --> 02:36:23,200
off strictly as a nuts and bolts guy and

3164
02:36:29,160 --> 02:36:25,300
I maintained that position for a very

3165
02:36:31,500 --> 02:36:29,170
long time but over the years my thinking

3166
02:36:34,470 --> 02:36:31,510
on a lot of things has has changed

3167
02:36:38,790 --> 02:36:34,480
somewhat I like to think it evolved I

3168
02:36:44,520 --> 02:36:38,800
believe that there's room in this field

3169
02:36:48,030 --> 02:36:44,530
for a lot of explanations on what some

3170
02:36:51,620 --> 02:36:48,040
of these various cases and incidents in

3171
02:36:56,280 --> 02:36:51,630
fact might represent as far as anybody

3172
02:37:00,930 --> 02:36:56,290
new coming into the field the only thing

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02:37:04,710 --> 02:37:00,940
that I could recommend to anybody if

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they're serious about this you've got a

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lot of research and study to do before

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02:37:15,091 --> 02:37:11,740
you jump into the fray because in order

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02:37:18,450 --> 02:37:15,101
to have any idea where we are heading

3178
02:37:21,720 --> 02:37:18,460
you've got to know where we have been

3179
02:37:24,420 --> 02:37:21,730
before and and one thing I noticed when

3180
02:37:27,060 --> 02:37:24,430
I first became interested in the

3181
02:37:30,841 --> 02:37:27,070
phenomenon and I started doing some

3182
02:37:34,500 --> 02:37:30,851
research on it it seemed like every

3183
02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:34,510
generation of UFO researchers of people

3184
02:37:39,960 --> 02:37:36,640
that call themselves a researcher has

3185
02:37:43,600 --> 02:37:39,970
got to relearn everything that's already

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been known by the last group of investor

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Gators I'll tell you what Don one of the

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02:37:50,230 --> 02:37:47,540
questions I'd ask anyone wanting to

3189
02:37:50,711 --> 02:37:50,240
enter UFO research hey man you got to be

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02:37:52,541 --> 02:37:50,721
kidding

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Don Ecker tell our listeners where they

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can find more of your stuff dark matters

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starts at 10:00 p.m. Pacific time until

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after the show is broadcast we're also

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known as the power cast on Facebook we

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have two areas there we've helped to

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merge them one chris has his own site

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our strange planet calm because this is

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a strange planet our strange planet Don

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Ecker thanks for joining us this week on

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the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

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and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible